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re: Why are people ignoring Orgeron's record at Ole Miss
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:09 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:09 am to atltiger6487
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are you honestly saying that O's record at Ole Miss is not relevant at all????
I can only suggest you reread my posts in this thread.
It is irrelevant to what is happening at LSU in 2017. It certainly isn't grounds to fire O, correct? You would agree with that, right?
And no amount of success at Ole Miss would serve to excuse him if he were, say, winless at this point, you would agree with that, correct?
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O's prior HC experience is by far the MOST RELEVANT data point.
Only when you're still considering whether or not to offer him the job. That ship sailed. That train left the station a long, long time ago baw.
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If you failed miserably at your prior job and haven't had a similar job in a decade, be sure to say during your next interview that your prior failure is irrelevant.
Well, of course, I'm arguing for myself. Or I would do as O did, and say I learned from that and have changed.
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See how that goes over.
Worked for O.
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That truly is the dumbest thing I've read on the Rant in many moons.
You want to change your answer? It is irrelevant to what is happening today. No amount of bashing, rehashing or handwringing can make it relevant.
Was it relevant last Thanksgiving? Sure. That's a fricking year ago.
Move on or remain part of the problem.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:10 am to rbdallas
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..it is obvious that your opinion is based on personal dislike either for him, or because YOUR guy was not hired.
and it's obvious to me that you wanted O because he is a Louisiana guy. and you have disregarded the most important factor when considering who should lead LSU football.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:11 am to tigerworkpart2
I’m assuming his record as interem HC at LSU and USC supersede his Ole Miss record.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:12 am to Ace Midnight
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No amount of bashing, rehashing or handwringing can make it relevant. He has different coordinators, position coaches, players, facilities, fan support, etc. There is no sure way of knowing if a guy is going to come in and have different results in a different situation, 10 to 15 years removed from his last similar job.
I don't think anyone expects him to win 3 games a year at LSU.
The question is; what is the upside of this type of hire? The upside of a hire made by LSU should be a national championship. Who can honestly say that the odds remotely favor someone with Orgeron's resume' building a national championship program? I'm not saying it's impossible but why stack the odds against yourself when winning a championship is already so damn hard to do?
LSU should hire someone that has won everywhere he has been. That should be the baseline, period.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:12 am to tigerworkpart2
OP is the kind of person who still thinks Hillary should be president.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:14 am to Barbellthor
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OP is the kind of person who still thinks Hillary should be president.
dumbest post in this thread, and that's saying a lot
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:14 am to Celery
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I’m assuming his record as interem HC at LSU and USC supersede his Ole Miss record.
no. The interim job is entirely different than the permanent job. An interim's job is to take the prior coach's staff, players, schemes, etc. and keep them mostly intact and just emotionally get the team through the season.
Granted, O did a really good job of that both at USC and LSU.
But being an interim HC is hugely different than being the permanent HC, responsible for every aspect of the program.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:15 am to Goldrush25
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The question is; what is the upside of this type of hire? The upside of a hire made by LSU should be a national championship. Who can honestly say that the odds remotely favor someone with Orgeron's resume' building a national championship program?
Aye, so here's the rub. I agree with you that it is unlikely that O turns this around and makes a championship run. And it can't even be considered all his fault - the Oline problems are outside his purview at this point. We'll see if recruiting focus, maybe a coaching change, something happens if the situation doesn't improve.
But, if he does make a run - say we finish 8-4 this year, win a bowl game and then look fantastic next year - win 6 or 7 straight, drop the Bama game again, then end up tying the west with 10 or 11 wins? Are folks going to say, "But, but, but Ole Miss"?
frick no. They better not.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:17 am to tigerworkpart2
Ask him:
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:19 am to tigerworkpart2
news flash. remembering or forgetting his record at ole miss is not even relevant. I don't give a damn what happened 10-15 years ago.
if you want to criticize him, do it on current stuff. tearing a man down for things done long ago is childish. he IS the hc of LSU like it or not.
if you want to criticize him, do it on current stuff. tearing a man down for things done long ago is childish. he IS the hc of LSU like it or not.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:20 am to Ace Midnight
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Well the reverse is also true for the Antifos - O's coaching background is not exclusively what he did at Ole Miss.
Yes...and No. It all matters, people just aren't putting a lot of value in the "excellent recruiter" or "excellent interim coach" narrative. And they shouldn't. Neither of those is as important as a head coaching stint in measuring quality and potential of the hire.
I mean, this isn't directed at you, but the question is: Ok, if his Ole Miss stint doesn't matter, then what part of his resume says this was a good hire at all? What part of the resume gives you hope? What part makes you think he has what it takes? That he has improved? Etc.
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Yes, it should have been looked at long and hard before he was offered the job here.
But, you have an AD that didn't want to bid for talent and didn't want to negotiate. So - again - for the umpteenth time - what O did at Ole Miss is IRRELEVANT to what is going on at LSU in 2017.
Big takeaway is don't have a guy like Joe Alleva hiring your football head coach. frick it - don't have that guy as your AD. He's not very good at it and we can (or ought to be able to) hire better, somewhat paradoxically/ironically if we're willing to bid for talent and negotiate with that talent.
Agree with all of this.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:23 am to Ace Midnight
With any job, past performance is the best predictor of future performance. That future is now the present with O. History tends to repeat itself. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, which is precisely why we have Orgeron. Folks want him to be the exception.
Ideally that's how it works out. But I think we can all agree it doesn't look overly bright at the moment. And if it doesn't work out, you certainly can't say it had nothing to do with his time at Ole Miss. I'd argue even solely from a confidence standpoint, his time at Ole Miss could have negatively impacted him. I can't imagine trying to dig your way out of that, knowing you are being watched more closely than even some other coaches would have been who didn't have that blip on their resume'.
Ideally that's how it works out. But I think we can all agree it doesn't look overly bright at the moment. And if it doesn't work out, you certainly can't say it had nothing to do with his time at Ole Miss. I'd argue even solely from a confidence standpoint, his time at Ole Miss could have negatively impacted him. I can't imagine trying to dig your way out of that, knowing you are being watched more closely than even some other coaches would have been who didn't have that blip on their resume'.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:26 am to tigerworkpart2
dude, let it fricking go. he'll either survive or get fired. he's the gdamn head coach until he's not. jesus, some of you people are so fkin exhausting. youre like facebook posters. trump is president till he's not and O is the coach until he's not. no one's getting fired at 3-1. move on, don't attend, don't watch or just fkin deal with it. holy fkin redundant daily posts, batman. 
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:29 am to LSU GrandDad
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news flash. remembering or forgetting his record at ole miss is not even relevant. I don't give a damn what happened 10-15 years ago. if you want to criticize him, do it on current stuff. tearing a man down for things done long ago is childish. he IS the hc of LSU like it or not.
so true.
but remember a lot of these people are young... THEY DO NOT HAVE HISTORY in their resume.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:30 am to cas4t
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With any job, past performance is the best predictor of future performance.
totally incorrect solely an assumption
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:31 am to adamb2151
Because he has an accent and makes good gumbo and "gets" LSU
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:31 am to cas4t
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dumbest post in this thread, and that's saying a lot
Whiniest post in the thread, and that's saying a lot.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:32 am to tigerworkpart2
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Why are people ignoring Orgeron's record at Ole Miss
1. Who are "people?" It's discussed all the time.
2. It's 9/28/17, he is the coach and LSU is 1/3 though the season
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:32 am to rbdallas
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but remember a lot of these people are young... THEY DO NOT HAVE HISTORY in their resume.
Please stop with this asinine presumption.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:38 am to tigerworkpart2
Because Cutcliffe left the cubbard bare, and coach O recruited enough talent for Nutt to succeed, somewhat in his first two years.
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