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re: Why are Claiborne and Mingo busting?

Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by CunningLinguist
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2006
18792 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:53 pm to
Claiborne is one of the bigger busts of all time
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57377 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:53 pm to
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Obligatory "NOLA hates LSU"


Serious question - when was the last time the Saints had an LSU player? Was it Devery Henderson?
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:02 pm to
Wasn't Flynn on the saints roster at some point last year?

If not Al woods a while back maybe
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Kirby4life
Frisco, Texas
Member since Sep 2011
260 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:12 pm to
Most Cowboy fans felt like Claiborne busted only because of where he was drafted along with injury plagued first few seasons. This year, most Dallas fans that I know, see him as a player and I believe he will be fine. Don't know if can say the same for Mingo. He may benefit from a change of scenery.

Hope all of our guys who got drafted in late rounds this year prove to be all pros!

Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25255 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:13 pm to
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Claiborne is one of the bigger busts of all time




Yet, he wasn't even in the top 3 biggest busts in that first round.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7343 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:13 pm to
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Mingo production in college didnt match his draft selection.


I agree with this. He had athletic ability but he's always been relatively light and he wasn't a true game changer in college. Production wasn't there. His last year at LSU he only had 4.5 sacks.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:14 pm to
Claiborne had an injury.
Posted by tigersaint74
Poopoo, Hawaii
Member since Feb 2007
668 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:16 pm to
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Same reason why a 7th round pic out of hofstra became the all time receiver for the saints. The draft is a crap shoot at best.


And a 6th round QB out of Michigan is considered by some as the GOAT
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 3:17 pm
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:18 pm to
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Great players in the wrong systems.

That's certainly a lot of the problem. Both have endured injuries as well. Would love to have both on the Saints.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48060 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:19 pm to
Peyton has something against sec players I don't know why
Posted by DHS1997
BATON ROUGE
Member since Nov 2014
867 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:26 pm to
Bought the Mama a house and an Escalade they are sucessful
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:40 pm to
Because they asked a man coverage cb to play cover 2 while having zero pass rush.

Mingo shouldn't be an olb.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:44 pm to
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agree with this. He had athletic ability but he's always been relatively light and he wasn't a true game changer in college. Production wasn't there. His last year at LSU he only had 4.5 sacks


This happens every single draft. Nfl scouts and front offices see athleticism and they think he just wasnt getting the coaching in cfb.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:44 pm to
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A mixture of personal failings and schematic misfits.



And injuries, Claiborne just isnt built for run support in the NFL.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:46 pm to
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Claiborne is one of the bigger busts of all time
what? How can you be one of the biggest busts of all time and youre not even the 3rd biggest bust of your draft?
3 players picked before him have been busts.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48060 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:52 pm to
But he had 8.5 the year before and led in qb pressure the 2 seasons combined. The pats need to grab him the hoodie will find a use for him he's a smart kid he'd fit in well there.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39760 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:55 pm to
Claiborne was overrated. He should have been a late first round pick, which still makes him a great prospect, but wouldn't make him anywhere near the bust he's considered now.

Mingo was always a mystery to me. He was freakishly fast and extremely strong for his size. However, while he was strong enough to hold his own against college tackles, he's not strong enough to handle NFL linemen. And while he's fast as hell for a DE, he's not good enough in space for a LB.

So not strong enough for an NFL DE and not mobile enough for a LB - he's a tweener. He looked like a tweener before the draft, and that's just what he's turned out to be - another Renaldo Turnbull.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
29678 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:37 pm to
1. Mo: can't even read "Good Night Moon"
2. Mingo: not sure?
Posted by ThaGenius
Cenla
Member since Jul 2013
652 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:45 pm to
I'm guessing most of you haven't read that article that came out a little while ago, I'll try to find the link and edit it. 1st year Mingo played decent under Horton (who is back in Cle) but when Pettine came in, he wanted to use Mingo as an OLB to cover Tight ends and RBs and never asked Mingo to add weIght to his frame. Well this offseason Mingo spent some time in Dallas and is up to 251 pounds, if he keeps his athleticism he could have a good year, especially since it's a contract year.

ETA: LINK
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:46 pm to
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They've been solid in the NFL
not even close to solid
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