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re: When it comes to replacing Miles, history is not on our side
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:02 pm to alexhortdog95
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:02 pm to alexhortdog95
where are you NEB fans coming from?
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:04 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:I don't think this is a fair statement, you have to consider the starting points.
A coach named Gundy replaced Miles at Oklahoma State and has taken that team to heights they haven't been in a while. They weren't even really that good when Miles was there save for a couple of wins against Oklahoma. Gundy did better than miles at OSU
They both did really well.
quote:National title, more wins over a 10 year span than any team in the toughest conference in the nation. Seems more delusional to not give the guy his due.
Some of you are delusional for thinking this guy is some great coach.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:07 pm to slackster
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The difference between you and I is that I understand how hard it is to generate and maintain elite success, and I respect the hell out of Miles for what he has done. I also am not naïve enough to believe that LSU can have its pick of the litter to replace Miles, nor is there much likelihood that the replacement outperforms Miles.
My point is, is that Miles replacement at OSU, Mike Gundy, if given the job and had the same recruiters, players, and defensive coordinators, could have done just as good of a job and maybe better. Miles isn't this great coach, he's the beneficiary of great defenses and great players brought by great recruiters. Hugh Freeze, a glorified High school coach, who was coaching High School whenever Les Miles was head coach at OSU, has beaten Bama twice in a row. i think everyone saying that we can't find a coach as good as miles is full of sh*t and won't look at things as they are. If we have a great DC and great recruiters then we can run the damn wing-t and have the same success Les Miles has had.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:07 pm to redbaron
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What was their win percentage for, say, the final 4 years?
That is key.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood in Lincoln, Nebraska.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:12 pm to shel311
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National title, more wins over a 10 year span than any team in the toughest conference in the nation. Seems more delusional to not give the guy his due.
the downfalls of Les can be synopsized by his highest points.
-You lose 2 games in 07 against inferior teams, yet backdoor into the national title game.
-2011, you orchestrate one of the best undefeated regular seasons in CFB history, yet with 45 days to prepare, you crap the bed when the whistle blows.
Over the last few years, which had led us to where we are:
A) Losing to inferior teams. B )unprepared teams on gameday.
Les Miles, even at his best, had major faults.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:14 pm to slackster
quote:That's just a timing issue.
Luke Fickell coached an entire season between Tressel and Meyer.
If Meyer was available, they're likely enjoying the same amoutn of success.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:15 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Agreed. But nonetheless, he's had a heck of a 10 year run here, the good outweighs the bad pretty easily.
Les Miles, even at his best, had major faults.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:16 pm to slackster
FSU forced one of the winningest coaches of all time (Bobby Bowden) and Jimbo Fisher has an even higher winning percentage than him at 83%. Bowden won at 75% (though Bowden had the harder job because he made them into a football school). Jimbo won 3 straight ACC titles and had a 29-game winning streak that included going 14-0 with a BCS National Championshp.
You are right in that you do have to be very careful and proceed with caution and appreciation because FSU's situation does not happen often, but it can.
You are right in that you do have to be very careful and proceed with caution and appreciation because FSU's situation does not happen often, but it can.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:18 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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i think everyone saying that we can't find a coach as good as miles is full of sh*t and won't look at things as they are. If we have a great DC and great recruiters then we can run the damn wing-t and have the same success Les Miles has had.
No one is saying it is impossible, but many people are having trouble grasping how small the margin for error actually is. Big-time, top-notch hires have failed before, and up-and-coming coaches fail all the time. Finding the right guy is often a crapshoot, and getting it right on your first try is seldom. None of that necessarily means Miles should stay, but it isn't as cut and dry as people like to think.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:18 pm to slackster
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Long story short, any rational observer can see that there should be significant concern over the ability to replace Miles with someone who will generate greater success.
Bingo.
Especially immediately. Been saying this for Days.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:19 pm to redNation
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LSU reminds me a great deal of Nebraska in 2003
How?
There is a major difference with LSU and Nebraska. Recruiting base. Once the game went so mainstream, teams that typically could recruit nationally because they were on tv a lot lost that edge. That is why you have to have a strong recruiting base to consistently compete. That is why teams like Nebraska and Tennessee fell off. It is not about getting rid of there coaches. That is why LSU has a better chance of success if they hire a new coach than those guys. The program partly sells itself now a days and the majority of the talent here stays here.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:21 pm to DVA Tailgater
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Next coach could win, you know.
or he could win as much as Hallman did.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:26 pm to slackster
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When it comes to replacing Miles, history is not on our side
but we have never replaced him!!!!
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:26 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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FSU forced one of the winningest coaches of all time (Bobby Bowden)
Ehh, I guess. Fisher was the coach in waiting and Bowden's retirement was eminent as his contract was coming to an end. I wouldn't qualify that as being forced out considering there was a succession plan in place.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:29 pm to ssgtiger
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The program partly sells itself now a days
Anyone who truly believes this will be disappointed down the road. There are countless examples of other programs with this same belief that were quickly humbled. Texas, Florida, and Miami are perfect examples in the last 15 years.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:32 pm to slackster
Yep...I agree...plus.....it's not like Miles is an "awful" coach.....
80 - 90% of the "major schools" would probably jump at the chance to hire him, and one of them will.....probably less than a week after he leaves.......
80 - 90% of the "major schools" would probably jump at the chance to hire him, and one of them will.....probably less than a week after he leaves.......
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:35 pm to hbuc88
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What was their win percentage for, say, the final 4 years?
That is key.
Miles will end this year with either a .680, .700, or.720 winning percentage over the last 4 years. So barring an 0-2 finish, he still fits in the OP's analysis looking only at the last 4 years.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:42 pm to ssgtiger
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LSU reminds me a great deal of Nebraska in 2003
How?
Obviously LSU possesses recruiting advantages that Nebraska doesn't and there are obvious difference that I won't deny or elaborate on.
With that said it reminds me of Nebraska in 2003 in that like Nebraska was back then, LSU is a powerhouse.
Much Like Nebraska then LSU is removed from a bad showing in a national title game.
Like Nebraska then LSU hasn't seemed to recover from that game and hasn't been the same since then.
Like Nebraska then LSU is starting to have bad losses (Arkansas, Ole Miss) against teams that shouldn't beat them that bad (if at all).
Not entirely the same but it does remind me of Nebraska during that time frame.
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where are you NEB fans coming from?
We're everywhere man
Seriously, I'm from Louisiana but been a Nebraska fan my whole life and have followed them since I can remember watching Husker games on television when I was young.
Guess you can blame my father for that one. (He watches every Nebraska game on TV).
Been to many game in Tiger Stadium though
I know a lot of Tiger fans (obviously) and hope you guys don't have to experience what Husker fans have the last 10+ years.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:45 pm to slackster
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All top programs at the time, all failed miserably with their new coaches.
Oh..oh I see....so because they all struggled, then naturally so will LSU. Makes perfect sense to me.
Uh, get Les on the phone for me will you please? I want to be the first to apologize and tell him how anxious I am for next year!!!
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