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Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:26 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
He's not even mediocre he's horrible wins off talent
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:27 pm to slackster
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Nebraska 2003: Fired Frank Solich (.766 W%) and hired Bill Callahan. AD said he would not "let Nebraska gravitate into mediocrity" with Solich. Callahan was fired after 4 seasons and a .551 W%.
Yup. Be careful what you wish for.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:27 pm to Lsupimp
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There is no science to picking a coach. But it is faulty reasoning to believe that because teams are often unsuccessful at hiring a great coach, that it somehow follows that LSU can't. I mean, he's gone at some point right? Does that mean we suck eventually anyway? And LSU has made two great hires in a row, right? Why not a third? It's not science. You either get a great coach or you don't. You stack the odds in your favor by hiring a proven guy from a great conference who has already done it.And you hope it works out. That is as good as it will ever be.
Using SEC past as reference --
Worst case scenario: This is Tenn. part 2. Fire a long time successful HC because he is "stale", "not winning enough", etc. Then, spend the next decade and 3 different coaches trying to regain what you once had.
Better Case scenario: You have the same success Bama did when they hired Gene Stallings. To do so they fired Bill Curry who had just gone 10-1 and was the SEC and National coach of the year. Why was Curry let go? He couldn't beat Auburn
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:30 pm to redbaron
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Just curious...are you using the old coaches' overall win percentage at the school?
Overall winning percentage at the school.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:31 pm to slackster
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Miles was 28-21 in 4 seasons at OSU. He also took over a program that won more than 5 games in a season only once from 1989-2000. Gundy took over from Miles and went 27-23 in his first 4 seasons.
So Miles is comparable to Gundy. Good, because Gundy really isn't that good of a coach either. That's my point. Since 2011 Gundy has lost 1 more game than Miles. And he has a lot less talent to work with. It's sad really, how you people can watch our team lay down and let a mediocre Arkansas and Ole Miss team just rape us and act like everything is ok. Memphis and Toledo beat these teams. Who's fault is it if not for miles? All that talent is going to waste.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:35 pm to Lester Earl
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also, you're looking at it wrong. The circumstances in replacing Miles SHOULD NOT be a factor. In the end, you are looking for a new coach; bottom line
I'm not using this as a defense of Miles. My point is that people need to abandon this thought that any idiot will step in and at least replicate Miles' results. I'm not proposing Miles stay on board, and I said as much in my OP.
There has never been a program in history who has forced out a coach as successful as Miles and found even greater success with his replacement. That shouldn't be ignored IMO.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:38 pm to TigersHuskers
Little Frankie deserved what he got.He was 16-10 in his last two seasons. Just because the next coaches were EVEN WORSE doesn't change the fact that Solich had totally lost control and presiding over a loss of Nebraska identity.
Somewhere in the Universe, Chris Brown of Colorado is scoring another td against Nebraska.
Somewhere in the Universe, Chris Brown of Colorado is scoring another td against Nebraska.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:38 pm to slackster
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Nebraska 2003: Fired Frank Solich (.766 W%) and hired Bill Callahan. AD said he would not "let Nebraska gravitate into mediocrity" with Solich. Callahan was fired after 4 seasons and a .551 W%.
As a Husker my two cents (and will probably echo a lot of what the other Husker fan said above).
LSU reminds me a great deal of Nebraska in 2003. Nebraska was THE power in the late 90's. Between 1993-1999 we went 81-8 which is simply an amazing streak.
Went to the 2001 National title game (that we really didn't belong in).
After that ill-fated end to the 2001 season the program started to slip a bit. there was some unrest as Nebraska went from a National title contender to losing to Ole Miss in the Indy Bowl, which is a pretty far drop.
The next year the Huskers rebounded but had 3 lopsided losses scattered throughout the season (K-State, Texas and Mizzou). In ways very similar to LSU this season.
The administration panicked. Instead of giving time for emotions to subside they cut Solich (horrible mistake) and hired Callahan (and even worse mistake).
Fast forward 12 years later and the Huskers are still trying to find their footing.
LSU is a great program right now and easily one of the top ten best in the nation at this point. I'm not going to advocate Miles keeping his job or getting fired. I'm not an LSU fan and it wouldn't be my place to speculate or formulate an accurate opinion.
From experience If I were LSU I would make sure that I had every possible aspect of this potential move studied extensively before making a decision. Emotionally it may seem like the right move. As a Nebraska fan I can say that sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.
It is possible that LSU could make a great higher and LSU will become the next great dynasty. It is also possible that with the wrong hire you will be talking to us Huskers about how good the "old days" used to be.
If I were you I would be very careful and cautious and take time before rushing to any decision.
Best of luck in whatever direction you decide to go.
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Little Frankie deserved what he got.He was 16-10 in his last two seasons. Just because the next coaches were EVEN WORSE doesn't change the fact that Solich had totally lost control and presiding over a loss of Nebraska identity.
He has one bad year (2002). He made changes in 2003 and should have been given at least another year before making any changes. We made a mistake and have paid dearly for it.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:42 pm to slackster
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There has never been a program in history who has forced out a coach as successful as Miles and found even greater success with his replacement. That shouldn't be ignored IMO.
As fun as it is to talk about, it is irrelevant. "Forcing" out a coach doesn't mean there is this special curse where the replacement cannot be successful. Again, you are just hiring a coach; the same way you would be if your coach stunk, the same way you would be if a CFB leaves for the NFL. It's all the same. It has no bearing.
with that being said, the next coach could find more success than Miles has but it might not reflect in winning percentage. There is a much bigger picture than winning percentage.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:44 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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LSU fans long for a day where our offense doesn't look like a discombobulated mess where our QB doesn't look lost.
Completely agree.
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He, himself, has very little to do with that .775 percentage other than getting the players there.
Well that is a stupid thing to say. If that was the case, what does Saban have to do with the success he has had at Alabama? He doesn't call plays and he has always had top notch coordinators. Why should we give him any credit other than recruiting?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:45 pm to DBU
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And there are definitely no other facts or circumstances that had any effect on those programs that may have struggled.
What is so funny about this? Why don't you point out some of these mitigating problems that prevented success?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:47 pm to slackster
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finding a coach that can replace the success Miles has had will not be an easy task, and any who thinks otherwise is naïve.
not only naïve but some of them aren't very smart either. they don't have a clue to how difficult the process is but whine like babies wanting their way anyway.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:47 pm to slackster
Why no mention of Ohio State?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:49 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It's sad really, how you people can watch our team lay down and let a mediocre Arkansas and Ole Miss team just rape us and act like everything is ok. Memphis and Toledo beat these teams. Who's fault is it if not for miles? All that talent is going to waste.
You obviously misunderstood the OP. It has nothing to do with defending Miles, and I agree the time has come for him to part ways.
The difference between you and I is that I understand how hard it is to generate and maintain elite success, and I respect the hell out of Miles for what he has done. I also am not naïve enough to believe that LSU can have its pick of the litter to replace Miles, nor is there much likelihood that the replacement outperforms Miles.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:51 pm to slackster
quote:They already are.
There is a high likelihood that LSU fans will long for the .775 winning percentage that Miles has accumulated.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:52 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
I feel there's a correlation between Gundy's success and the amount of money That T Boone Pickens has contributed to the program since Gundy took over.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:54 pm to okietiger
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Why no mention of Ohio State?
Luke Fickell coached an entire season between Tressel and Meyer.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 1:55 pm to slackster
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Well that is a stupid thing to say. If that was the case, what does Saban have to do with the success he has had at Alabama? He doesn't call plays and he has always had top notch coordinators. Why should we give him any credit other than recruiting?
Nick Saban owns that defense, you really don't think he calls plays? Has no input? Wait, are you comparing Nick Sabans defense (where he has influence) to Les Miles offense? Les Miles benefitted from defenses he had nothing to do with and won despite his offense. LSU has the most 4th quarter comebacks in the country! Ask yourself, why the need to come back in the fourth quarter so much?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 2:01 pm to redNation
Slip...a bit?!? We haven't been the same since 62-36, my friend.
Fired Bohl. Brought in Bo.
Still got fired. Many believe it wasn't just the on field stuff that caused his departure...but Peteyshine didn't help his cause any.
IN any case, LSU folks, I'll tell you like I told Buckeye fans when they picked up Tim Beck -
"Caveat emptor"
Fired Bohl. Brought in Bo.
Still got fired. Many believe it wasn't just the on field stuff that caused his departure...but Peteyshine didn't help his cause any.
IN any case, LSU folks, I'll tell you like I told Buckeye fans when they picked up Tim Beck -
"Caveat emptor"
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