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re: When did the fanbase decide they wanted Coach O?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:10 pm to Kedwards1
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:10 pm to Kedwards1
I was hoping for Jimbo, but it became abundantly clear he was using us. I was wary of Herman, but not against his hire. I figured he was positioning himself for Texas (dream job). There were no other candidates that were emerging with any serious consideration that got me very interested. Fleck? (meh).
I had no significant feelings on O when he was hired onto the staff. Knew he was a good recruiter. I was aware of the OM debacle. When he was hired as interim and it looked like he was likely going to be the HC, I defended him on the coaching board because I was willing to give the guy a shot. I've seen some things he's changed with the team, gathering of staff and organizational moves that I like. I still have reservations, but I do think this team and staff can be very successful.
I had no significant feelings on O when he was hired onto the staff. Knew he was a good recruiter. I was aware of the OM debacle. When he was hired as interim and it looked like he was likely going to be the HC, I defended him on the coaching board because I was willing to give the guy a shot. I've seen some things he's changed with the team, gathering of staff and organizational moves that I like. I still have reservations, but I do think this team and staff can be very successful.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:11 pm to The Pirate King
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"Support the team no matter what! Bunch of fair weather fans!"
"frick this shitty hire, im out - call me back when they fire him"
Two strawmen in one. Impressive
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:11 pm to Space Cowboy
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I would put Coach O over Herman because Herman is definitely not proven at least as of yet.
Proven for the long haul? Yes, I agree that Herman isn't yet. But if you're making a hire based on effective due diligence, you'd have to go with Herman over O.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:11 pm to Kedwards1
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Lol hasn't won a conf champuinship, hell they haven't had less than 3 losses in over 50 years.
And he was still a historic failure even by their standards. Do any of you follow football outside of Baton Rouge?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:12 pm to Kedwards1
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The kids have ruined it.
The "kids" routine has gotten old.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:12 pm to Kedwards1
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Lol hasn't won a conf champuinship, hell they haven't had less than 3 losses in over 50 years. Slow your roll please.
What? How does this refute anything I said?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:14 pm to LSU Groupee
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I am not the one so pressed to validate my point that I use O, Pete, and Bill in the same breath.
Actually poor examples, as both Belichick and Carroll did enjoy some short term success in their early HC careers. Nothing like Coach O, who was horrid.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:16 pm to lsu2006
It's like they don't even realize the more they trash Ole Miss the worse it makes him look.
CheeriO: "Ole Miss is so terrible lulz"
Rational poster: "He brought the Ole Miss program down to such terrible levels even they couldn't stand it"
CheeriO: "But Pete Carroll!"
CheeriO: "Ole Miss is so terrible lulz"
Rational poster: "He brought the Ole Miss program down to such terrible levels even they couldn't stand it"
CheeriO: "But Pete Carroll!"
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:16 pm to MOT
Well last year when everyone wanted Herman, and they also wanted Herman over Fisher, by the way, he had only one year of experience coaching another coach's players. Meanwhile, at the same time, he was losing games he shouldn't have lost to teams like to SMU.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:19 pm to Space Cowboy
Is that supposed to be a reply to the question about what makes Orgeron more proven than Herman? Because you didn't mention anything at all about Orgeron for a comparison.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:22 pm to Space Cowboy
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Well last year when everyone wanted Herman, and they also wanted Herman over Fisher, by the way, he had only one year of experience coaching another coach's players. Meanwhile, at the same time, he was losing games he shouldn't have lost to teams like to SMU.
And he's younger and is thought of as an "up and coming" coaching star. Potential ha to be factored into due diligence. For O, you have to rely on the "hope the old dog has learned new tricks" thing. They're both gambles, I get that.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:24 pm to Kedwards1
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There are a lot of very highly knowledgeable football people who strongly believe in O...but we know, the people like this groupee know more than them.
And yet only Joe Alleva viewed him as a viable hire. No other school even inquired to our knowledge.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:34 pm to Goldrush25
Five minutes into the Wisconsin game....there was no change in the offensive....les should have been let go at halftime
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:36 pm to Goldrush25
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Actually poor examples, as both Belichick and Carroll did enjoy some short term success in their early HC careers. Nothing like Coach O, who was horrid.
It's also a poor example because they both showed more in their post HC gig - Belichick as a DC and Carroll at USC - than O did coaching DL and being an interim twice.
Also, second chance, great, but why does he merit a second chance at a better program than he failed with the first time around? If I ran Kia into the ground, should I expect to get a second chance as the CEO of Toyota?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Proven for the long haul? Yes, I agree that Herman isn't yet. But if you're making a hire based on effective due diligence, you'd have to go with Herman over O.
Maybe you would, but I wouldn't.
That's sort of like Ole Miss firing Coach O in the third year of his four year contract to rebuild the Ole Miss program and then Coach Houston Nutt coming in and winning immediately with Coach O's players for three years until they graduated and then Coach Houston Nutt couldn't win with his own players after that. Meanwhile, no one could win with Coach Cutcliffe's players, not even Coach Cutcliffe, and Coach Cutcliffe is no slouch as a coach. Yet everybody expects that Coach O could win with those mediocre players. Hmm...
Meanwhile, Coach Hugh Escort Freeze says that had Ole Miss given Coach O that final fourth year of his contract that for all intents and purposes the program was rebuilt and that in all probability Coach O would still be the head coach at Ole Miss today.
Furthermore, I thought Coach O overall did a pretty damn good job last season. I figured he would have to go 7 and 1 to be qualified to be considered in the running. I never expected that he would have a chance to beat Alabama simply due to the fact that he was still strapped down by Coach Mile's ultra conservative offense, but he did give them a pretty damn good game. However, I didn't ding him for us losing the Florida game because of the way we lost, as that loss wasn't Coach O's fault. Not to mention, that anyone who watched us lose that game could tell that LSU was quite a bit more superior relative to Florida.
So yes, considering Coach O's further experience at two different universities, I would put Coach O ahead of Coach Herman. Not to mention that Coach Jimmy Johnson and Coach Pete Carroll also gave Alleva their highest recommendations in favor of Coach O as well.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:39 pm to Space Cowboy
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Maybe you would, but I wouldn't.
You'd be in the minority . . . and for good reason.
Look, maybe you're right in that Alleva has spotted a diamond in the rough that no one else would take a chance on, and yet that will be absolutely successful. I'd just never put money on that.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:40 pm to Space Cowboy
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Okay, name who you think Alleva should have hired as opposed to Coach O.
There are, quite literally, hundreds of coaches that are, on paper, more qualified than O. You mean to tell me that there should have been no interviews except Fisher and Herman? That no coach in America was more qualified than O? Fedora is more qualified than O, PJ Fleck would've been worth a look before O, Mike Dantoni, DAVE ARANDA, fricking Charlie Strong is more qualified, Chip Kelly, Chris Peterson, and the list goes on...
Like I said, I like what O has done so far, but if you think that he was the most qualified coach available you're completely fricking delusional.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:42 pm to LSUinMA
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Also, second chance, great, but why does he merit a second chance at a better program than he failed with the first time around? If I ran Kia into the ground, should I expect to get a second chance as the CEO of Toyota?
And it's not to say that someone can't improve and learn lessons, but why does LSU have to be the guinea pig as to whether or not he's improved? LSU had options. Ok you didn't get the two guys at the very top of your list, that doesn't mean the other 50 available coaches are just lumped together and there's no distinguishing between them.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:44 pm to huntfish26
Coach O didn't have a resume that would warrant an interview with LSU much less getting the job
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:45 pm to Space Cowboy
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he was losing games he shouldn't have lost
Good thing O didn't do that last year or you might not have wanted him either.
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