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re: When did the fanbase decide they wanted Coach O?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:47 pm to huntfish26
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:47 pm to huntfish26
When he opened his mouth and sounded like someone off of Swamp People. It was very endearing apparently.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:51 pm to huntfish26
When they hired him. Like any other coach they could've hired..im for ya once you're a Tiger.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:51 pm to LSU Groupee
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he was losing games he shouldn't have lost
Good thing O didn't do that last year or you might not have wanted him either.
This is an aspect of the O support that I find funny. Every criticism of other potential hires (whether they were viable hires or not) also applies to O.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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People have already provided you with numerous names in other threads. The list of people with better credentials than O is a long one.
Really? It was a long list. Okay, then name the names of those coaches that were available at the time and that are on your long list.
Nonetheless, no one other than one person ever gave me a name and the name that moonbat gave me was not only not a better hire than Coach O but was also unavailable as well.
Meanwhile, everybody else simply didn't answer the question or made a fool out of themselves dodging the question.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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But if you're making a hire based on effective due diligence, you'd have to go with Herman over O.
Last season Coach O takes over a team that had fired their head coach. He has a TE's running the offense and goes 6-2 with a bowl win.
Tom Herman last season with the most talented team in his conference and in his 2nd year installing his system finishes in sixth place in the AAC. Including losses to SMU, Navy and Memphis. He would have been 4-4 in his last 8 games if he had of stayed for the bowl game.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:58 pm to Space Cowboy
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Okay, then name the names of those coaches that were available at the time and that are on your long list.
Firing Miles 4 games into the season gave us plenty of time to pluck a coach from a lesser school. That's generally how things work.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:00 pm to Space Cowboy
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That's sort of like Ole Miss firing Coach O in the third year of his four year contract to rebuild the Ole Miss program and then Coach Houston Nutt coming in and winning immediately with Coach O's players for three years until they graduated and then Coach Houston Nutt couldn't win with his own players after that. Meanwhile, no one could win with Coach Cutcliffe's players, not even Coach Cutcliffe, and Coach Cutcliffe is no slouch as a coach. Yet everybody expects that Coach O could win with those mediocre players. Hmm...
Coach O won 3 games in his final year. Nutt came and won 9 games the next year. That should be alarming to you, not seen as a feather in O's cap.
I look at those results and see that the talent was in place. He was just that bad at weaponizing it. In 07 the team was probably fundamentally a 5 to 6 win team and he won 3 games.
Those results are actually congruent with what we know about Coach O today; he's a hell of a recruiter and can get the talent, but doesn't offer much in terms of helping that talent develop or making strategic decisions that pay off.
I know what you're going to say next, that he's changed and he's hands off now. Words are words and we'll see, but what we know about people is that real change is very difficult, especially when you haven't been tested. Once stressed, most of us revert to type. Anyone can fake it for a little while. When the pressure is on him, he will likely get involved in the strategic direction of this team, just as anyone else in his spot would.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:14 pm to ibleedprplngld
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but if you think that he was the most qualified coach available you're completely fricking delusional.
And that's the only point most of us are making. I don't know of anyone who doesn't like O or isn't willing to give the man a chance. After all, what fricking choice do we have?
The rub is, what major football school with months to conduct a search picks out two guys who are going to be hard to get because of their success and a position coach who had not sniffed even a DC job in the ten years after his dismal HC effort?
The man might be thee best coach college football has ever had, but anyone thinking he was the best available in all of college football at the time of the search is delusional.
And I don't give a frick what Pete has to say. That guy cheated his arse off at USC and left his program in disarray.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:15 pm to MOT
Okay, I'll tell you the same thing I told Mo Jeaux.
With respect to Coach O, Ole Miss fired Coach O in the third year of his four year contract to rebuild the Ole Miss program and then Coach Houston Nutt came in and won immediately with Coach O's players for three years until they graduated and then Coach Houston Nutt couldn't win with his own players after that. Meanwhile, no one could win with Coach Cutcliffe's players, not even Coach Cutcliffe, and Coach Cutcliffe is no slouch as a coach. Yet everybody expects that Coach O could win with those mediocre players. Hmm...
Meanwhile, Coach Hugh Escort Freeze says that had Ole Miss given Coach O that final and fourth year of his contract that for all intents and purposes the program was rebuilt and that in all probability Coach O would still be the head coach at Ole Miss today.
Furthermore, I thought Coach O overall did a pretty damn good job last season. I figured he would have to go 7 and 1 to be qualified to be considered in the running. I never expected that he would have a chance to beat Alabama simply due to the fact that he was still strapped down by Coach Mile's ultra conservative offense, but he did give them a pretty damn good game. However, I didn't ding him for us losing the Florida game because of the way we lost, as that loss wasn't Coach O's fault. Not to mention, that anyone who watched us lose that game could tell that LSU was quite a bit more superior relative to Florida.
So yes, considering Coach O's further experience at two different universities, I would put Coach O ahead of Coach Herman. Not to mention that Coach Jimmy Johnson and Coach Pete Carroll also gave Alleva their highest recommendations in favor of Coach O as well.
With respect to Coach O, Ole Miss fired Coach O in the third year of his four year contract to rebuild the Ole Miss program and then Coach Houston Nutt came in and won immediately with Coach O's players for three years until they graduated and then Coach Houston Nutt couldn't win with his own players after that. Meanwhile, no one could win with Coach Cutcliffe's players, not even Coach Cutcliffe, and Coach Cutcliffe is no slouch as a coach. Yet everybody expects that Coach O could win with those mediocre players. Hmm...
Meanwhile, Coach Hugh Escort Freeze says that had Ole Miss given Coach O that final and fourth year of his contract that for all intents and purposes the program was rebuilt and that in all probability Coach O would still be the head coach at Ole Miss today.
Furthermore, I thought Coach O overall did a pretty damn good job last season. I figured he would have to go 7 and 1 to be qualified to be considered in the running. I never expected that he would have a chance to beat Alabama simply due to the fact that he was still strapped down by Coach Mile's ultra conservative offense, but he did give them a pretty damn good game. However, I didn't ding him for us losing the Florida game because of the way we lost, as that loss wasn't Coach O's fault. Not to mention, that anyone who watched us lose that game could tell that LSU was quite a bit more superior relative to Florida.
So yes, considering Coach O's further experience at two different universities, I would put Coach O ahead of Coach Herman. Not to mention that Coach Jimmy Johnson and Coach Pete Carroll also gave Alleva their highest recommendations in favor of Coach O as well.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:21 pm to Mo Jeaux
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And he's younger and is thought of as an "up and coming" coaching star.
Of course, he is younger and still very wet behind the ears, and after last season's less than spectacular performance, no one in their right mind still considers Herman to be an up and coming coaching star.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:23 pm to LSU Groupee
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Good thing O didn't do that last year or you might not have wanted him either.
You're absolutely right.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:25 pm to Space Cowboy
While Freeze may have said this about O and projected success at OM, I wouldn't hang my hat on it. O himself has discussed how poorly he handled his first gig and has since learned from that experience. To defend his tenure at OM is to lose credibility. You can argue that he has shown signs of a coaching style that has evolved and I would agree. Best to just accept he tanked his first gig.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:26 pm to Space Cowboy
That's a whole lot of rambling just to dodge the question.
And judging by the amount of copy & pasting, repeatedly posting irrelevant points, and assigning a stupid nickname to a coach I think we can safely say you are Tiger Ree's alter. The only difference is the use of "escort" Freeze instead of "kissing bandit" Herman. Nice subtle change.
And judging by the amount of copy & pasting, repeatedly posting irrelevant points, and assigning a stupid nickname to a coach I think we can safely say you are Tiger Ree's alter. The only difference is the use of "escort" Freeze instead of "kissing bandit" Herman. Nice subtle change.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:28 pm to Jones
So instead of hiring Coach O, we should have hired someone else from a lesser school? Is that what you are saying? I mean we tried to hire Coach Fisher and Coach Herman didn't we?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:30 pm to Space Cowboy
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So instead of hiring Coach O, we should have hired someone else from a lesser school? Is that what you are saying?
The school is of secondary importance. They should hire the best coach they could have regardless of where he was coaching. Every great coach was at a "lesser school" at one point.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:30 pm to Space Cowboy
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So instead of hiring Coach O, we should have hired someone else from a lesser school
Wouldn't have been a bad option.
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I mean we tried to hire Coach Fisher and Coach Herman didn't we
I say we looked at them. We weren't willing to go all in. We went stupid and cheap.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:32 pm to Space Cowboy
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I mean we tried to hire Coach Fisher and Coach Herman didn't we?
It depends on how you define "try", especially relative to the effort of other top programs at the negotiating table.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:49 pm to Goldrush25
" O won 3 games in his final year. Nutt came iin and won 9 the next year. That should be a alarming to you. "
A lot of how this played out and went down is Alarming to most of us. I was stunned by the hire. Now, I'm just hoping that JA and the board of supervisors know something that the rest of us don't !
Fall practice starts Soon and then we have the season. We will begin getting answers soon.
A lot of how this played out and went down is Alarming to most of us. I was stunned by the hire. Now, I'm just hoping that JA and the board of supervisors know something that the rest of us don't !
Fall practice starts Soon and then we have the season. We will begin getting answers soon.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:53 pm to Goldrush25
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Coach O won 3 games in his final year. Nutt came and won 9 games the next year. That should be alarming to you, not seen as a feather in O's cap.
What? You don’t think I know that already, and with very mediocre players that Coach Cutcliffe recruited and couldn’t even win with himself, and then after Coach O was fired, Coach Nutt came in and won 9 games immediately with Coach O’s players and he continued winning for two more years until Coach O’s players graduated, then subsequently it was like somebody flipped a switch and then Coach Houston Nutt couldn’t win with his own players.
Indeed, Hugh Escort Freeze says that had Coach O been given his final year of his four-year contract that he would in all probability still be the head coach at Ole Miss today. And I think Coach Hugh Escort Freeze knows a little more about the situation than a very biased Coach O hater like yourself. As he was there and he also forgot far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing.
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I look at those results and see that the talent was in place.
Yeah, the talent was in place for Coach Houston Nutt thanks to Coach O, but there was no talent in play for Coach O thanks to Coach Cutcliffe. In fact, Coach Cutcliffe couldn’t even win with those mediocre players he had recruited.
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Those results are actually congruent with what we know about Coach O today; he's a hell of a recruiter and can get the talent, but doesn't offer much in terms of helping that talent develop or making strategic decisions that pay off.
Those are not the results. No, they are not, they are the opinion of a Coach O detractor that doesn’t know his arse from a hole in the ground. Moreover, look at all the NFL greats coached O has put in the NFL. What do you mean ignoramus that he can’t develop talent? Give me a freaking break you moonbat. Go take a hike and get lost.
If you are going to post something that stupid, you may as well not post at all. Just blow your severely mentally handicapped brains out instead you lunatic.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:56 pm to BayouCowboy
Hey, do me a favor, go fly a kite and stop boring me death with your enormous stupidity. Thank you and may Gawd bless.
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