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re: What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:36 pm to chilge1
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:36 pm to chilge1
quote:
Dude, I've had to do the same goddamn thing for Harris in several Feleipe Franks threads. The way this board cannibalizes freshmen quarterbacks is unreal.
Y'all have been praising Jarrett Lee for 12 pages now... the hatred that was spewed at him in 2008 is what prompted me to stop lurking and actually create an account.
Jennings didn't do well last year. And he didn't have much help last year, from teammates or from coaches.
CFB lore is filled with players who shat the bed when they were young and rebounded in a big way.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:38 pm to CptBengal
quote:Once again, I have to remind you, as many posters in the past frequently have, that reading is fundamental.
Did you make up the numbers in that graph?
JJ did not have a 66% comp percentage in 2011....among others.
Seriously, why just make up numbers?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:38 pm to Salviati
quote:
You really are running out of facts and arguments. I'm glad that you are finally beginning to accept the truth.
i'm not. you want to ignore jefferson's two worst games. they happened, sorry.
you want to say lee was the two minute Qb because he was a competent backup? seriously? you can't even be taken seriously with shite like that. He was the two minute Qb because he was a much better passer than Jefferson. Miles couldn't trust Jefferson to pick up yards through the air in a 2 minute drill, and that's why Lee was played as such. That's why he played at the end of both halves against Florida (and scored TDs on both btw). And that's why he was inserted against TN because after JJ's run the first series of the game, he did exactly jack shite for 3.75 quarters if football. He came in on 3rd and long against Alabama because we had to convert a first down and Jefferson couldn't be trusted to convert on a passing down as much as Lee.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:39 pm to Salviati
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I'm not the one who brought up Lee's 4 preseason games like they are the touchstone of truth. That's your shibboleth.
he was more valued as a player to an NFL team. Jefferson wasn't even worth a camp body for anyone. that's pretty pathetic
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:39 pm to Salviati
quote:
that reading is fundamental.
it is, liar.
you graph shows JJ with a 66% regular season rating....
Then later in THE SAME POST, you post this:
quote:
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
So which is it liar?
making up numbers is pathetic, JustMe.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:40 pm to Salviati
Ok. You're just delusional. We got it. Galileo? That's who you are comparing yourself to? Wow.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:41 pm to Salviati
quote:
Jennings didn't do well last year. And he didn't have much help last year, from teammates or from coaches.
lol what? he had more than enough talent around him. that was his 2nd year in the system, and he's had more than enough playing time to have gotten better throughout the season. he's fricking terrible is his problem
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:46 pm to lsufball19
quote:One of them just happen to be a pass from . . . Jefferson. And again, Jefferson
LSU running backs scored 4 offensive TDs.
quote:Jefferson also led LSU on two scoring drives that lasted exactly four plays. Pretty damn efficient.
Jefferson led two drives that were longer than 4 plays the entire game,
quote:Actually, for their careers, Jefferson is ahead of Lee in pretty much every category.quote:until the SECCG, and he would finish behind Lee in every passing category
From the moment Jefferson attempted his first pass 2011, he had a higher efficiency than Lee, and Jefferson maintained that higher efficiency than Lee throughout the regular season.
And again, it was Lee's greatest blessing that he did not play in the SECCG and the BCSCG, so that posters like you can wail about what might have been.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:46 pm to lsufball19
His receivers entered 2014 with 7 career catches combined and were constantly disrupted by press coverage and were knocked off their routes.
Whomever is under center, whether Jennings or Harris, will be much improved, and will have competent play around them.
Whomever is under center, whether Jennings or Harris, will be much improved, and will have competent play around them.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:48 pm to lsufball19
quote:Well, he was abysmal against Alabama. And in the other four games, he did not lead LSU as well as Jefferson led LSU in Jefferson's three starts.quote:what about the other 5 defenses he faced as a starter? TIA
Lee started against 4 of the 5 worst defenses that LSU faced in 2011
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:50 pm to Salviati
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Jefferson also led LSU on two scoring drives that lasted exactly four plays. Pretty damn efficient.
lol, one was a 17 yard drive after a TM punt return, all off tackle runs. The other was a 50+ yard run fro Alfred Blue right up the middle. Are you REALLY trying to argue Jefferson managed the offense well that game? REALLY? You have to be fricking trolling. Jefferson had 30 yards passing the entire game. THIRTY. He had negative 5 yards rushing. I don;'t care how much you want to spin it, that was one of the worst played games by an LSu QB in the history of the program. And how did he follow that game up? By a repeat performance in one of the biggest games in school history. But let's ignore those games because he had decent stats in three games, 2 against shitty teams.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:51 pm to CptBengal
quote:I didn't.
Why did you make up numbers in your graphs?
Why do feel the need to accuse me of making up numbers in my graph?
Is your position so weak that you are running out of arguments?
Are you intentionally trying to ignore that the graph is for SEC Regular Season Games?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:51 pm to Salviati
Your regular season shite is silly. Take away lees two worst games because that is what you are doing fo Jefferson. You and chilgne1 are delusional
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:51 pm to Salviati
quote:
he did not lead LSU as well as Jefferson led LSU in Jefferson's three starts.
yeah, his 88 yards passing against Ole Miss was the reason we won 52-3
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:53 pm to lsufball19
quote:
he had more than enough talent around him
Eh, I hate the "young" excuse used so often to defend poor play, but the wideouts did struggle, the passing philosophy has been flawed for a long time( Mett overcame it with elite arm strength and elite wideouts), and bad playcalling.
He was terrible in his own right... hopefully he or Harris can improve, along with the coaches helping instead of hurting with their playcalling.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:53 pm to Salviati
quote:
Why do feel the need to accuse me of making up numbers in my graph?
because your graph shows jj with a comp% in 2011 regular season as 66%
later in the SAME POST you say it is 64.3%
Why are you a liar, JustMe?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:54 pm to lsufball19
quote:Does Lee have any stats for the 2011 post-season?quote:without his two worst games he did. but he doesn;t want to count 2011 postseason games because they make Jefferson look bad
JJ did not have a 66% comp percentage in 2011....among others.
Are you honestly suggesting that the SECCG or BCSCG are comparable to games against Northwestern State or Kentucky or Western Kentucky?
Again, LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
In the first game, the QB completed 45% of his passes for less than 100 yards passing. His QB rating was under 100. That team had the 88th ranked passing defense.
In the second game, the QB completed 62% of his passes for over 200 yards passing. He also rushed for 53 yards in LSU's most prolific offensive performance in 2011. The only game in which LSU gained almost 500 yards . . . and the QB was responsible for over half of those yards. That team had the 24th ranked passing defense.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:55 pm to Salviati
quote:
Actually, for their careers, Jefferson is ahead of Lee in pretty much every category.
he had more starts too. he should be ahead by much more all things considered
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:56 pm to zsav77
I think last year was a wakeup call for Cameron. He hadn't coached college in two decades, and then walked in to Mett, OBJ, and Landry. All upperclassmen.
I believe we'll see a more diluted version of what Cameron likes to run this coming year, and he's alluded as much.
I believe we'll see a more diluted version of what Cameron likes to run this coming year, and he's alluded as much.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:57 pm to Salviati
quote:
Does Lee have any stats for the 2011 post-season?
what's your point? does Jefferson have any stats for the first 4 games of the 2011 season? Might as well not count Lee's game against Oregon
quote:
Are you honestly suggesting that the SECCG or BCSCG are comparable to games against Northwestern State or Kentucky or Western Kentucky?
they're all games. Oregon was a better team than UGA. What difference does it make when the game was played?
quote:
Again
Jefferson's stats the last two games count.
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