re: What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career

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I'm glad that you are finally beginning to accept the truth.

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i'm not.

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you want to say lee was the two minute Qb because he was a competent backup? seriously?

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Yes. It's true. He also had one more year in the system than Jefferson. Those are facts.

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you can't even be taken seriously with shite like that.

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Those are facts. You don't like them? Controvert them with other facts.

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He was the two minute Qb because he was a much better passer than Jefferson. Miles couldn't trust Jefferson to pick up yards through the air in a 2 minute drill, and that's why Lee was played as such.

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Those are not facts. Those are your opinions. I can controvert your opinions with facts. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee over his career. Lee was not a better pass than Jefferson. That's an opinion supported by the facts.

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That's why he played at the end of both halves against Florida (and scored TDs on both btw).

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Lee did well against Florida. He completed three short passes to Toliver that turned out to be huge. Good job, Lee.

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And that's why he was inserted against TN because after JJ's run the first series of the game, he did exactly jack shite for 3.75 quarters if football.

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Lee threw an interception in his first drive, and he got close to scoring in the second. Jefferson finished it off. Good job, Lee. Lee came in because he was the two-minute QB. That's a fact.

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He came in on 3rd and long against Alabama because we had to convert a first down and Jefferson couldn't be trusted to convert on a passing down as much as Lee.

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You can express whatever opinion you want to have. Lee came in because Jefferson was injured. That is a fact.

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I'm not the one who brought up Lee's 4 preseason games like they are the touchstone of truth. That's your shibboleth.

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he was more valued as a player to an NFL team. Jefferson wasn't even worth a camp body for anyone. that's pretty pathetic

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There you go again talking about "pro careers" for QBs who did not have much, if any, pro careers.

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Neither are pro caliber players. What the frick is your point.

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You need to decide whether you think their pro careers are relevant or not.

I don't think so, but you keep bringing it back up.

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that reading is fundamental.

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it is, liar.

you graph shows JJ with a 66% regular season rating....

Then later in THE SAME POST, you post this:

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Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48

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So which is it liar?

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:sigh:

I'll explain it to you like I would explain it to a third grader.

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Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48

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Do you see where it says "2011 Regular Season"? It's in the parentheses. Do you see it now? That means the statistics come from the 2011 Regular Season.

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SEC Regular Season Games

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Do you see where it says "SEC Regular Season Games"? It's in bold print, and it's right below the graph for "QB Rating - Mettenberger." I put it in bold print so you could find it easily. Do you see it now? That means the statistics come from SEC Regular Season Games.


Do you understand now?


Do you still feel compelled to call me a lair?

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Jennings didn't do well last year. And he didn't have much help last year, from teammates or from coaches.

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lol what? he had more than enough talent around him. that was his 2nd year in the system, and he's had more than enough playing time to have gotten better throughout the season. he's fricking terrible is his problem

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The "talent" around him was new.

The benchmark for returning production last season was 60-70%. Teams return about 70% of their games played but about 60% of their production. Anything less, and the team will be looking at experience issues

Last year, LSU returned 53.13% of its games started on offense and 65.24% of games played. Worse, almost all of the production was gone: 36.65% of the rush yards returned, just 12.96% of the receiving yards, and 5.55% of the passing yards.

So, Jennings was inexperienced, the RBs were inexperienced, and the WRs were inexperienced.

The talent was there, but the experience was absent.

As Cameron pointed out after the season, Jennings got better as the season progressed, but LSU started playing tougher teams as the season progressed. Thus, it may have appeared to the inexperienced eye that Jennings did not progress.

Sal, you are a pathetic human being

Let's try that again....

Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage?

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lol, one was a 17 yard drive after a TM punt return, all off tackle runs.

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One of those runs was a zone read executed perfectly by Jefferson.

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The other was a 50+ yard run fro Alfred Blue right up the middle.

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It was less than 50 yards, and Blue had been running zone reads with Jefferson very successfully.

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Are you REALLY trying to argue Jefferson managed the offense well that game? REALLY? You have to be fricking trolling. Jefferson had 30 yards passing the entire game. THIRTY. He had negative 5 yards rushing. I don;'t care how much you want to spin it, that was one of the worst played games by an LSu QB in the history of the program.

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You do know that the offense can move the ball on the ground as well as through the air? Right?

And you do know that LSU ran the ball more effectively with Jefferson at QB rather than Lee? Right?

And you do know that Jefferson executed the option and zone read exceptionally well? Right?

A QB does not have to run or throw the ball to manage the game brilliantly. Jefferson managed the game to the tune of four offensive touchdowns, one of which was a TD pass, with no interceptions.

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By a repeat performance in one of the biggest games in school history. But let's ignore those games because he had decent stats in three games, 2 against shitty teams.

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You are sooo angry. Why? Lee doesn't have any stats from the championship games. They can't be compared.

I've compared the regular season.

I've compared the games when Lee and Jefferson played teams that were ranked #3.

I've compared stats when they both played against the same defenses.

I'll be happy to compare stats when they both played against Alabama.

The main thing that you consistently ignore is that ALL three of Jefferson's regular season starts were BETTER than ALL nine of Lee's regular season starts. Not just the best of each QB or the average of each QB. But EVERY regular season game for each QB. And Lee played against shittier defenses.

Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage in 2011?

Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage in 2011?

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Does Lee have any stats for the 2011 post-season?

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what's your point? does Jefferson have any stats for the first 4 games of the 2011 season? Might as well not count Lee's game against Oregon

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Are you still suggesting that post-season games are the same as regular season games?

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Are you honestly suggesting that the SECCG or BCSCG are comparable to games against Northwestern State or Kentucky or Western Kentucky?

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they're all games. Oregon was a better team than UGA. What difference does it make when the game was played?

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Come on. Oregon had a good offense, but no defense.

Georgia's Passing Defense = 10
Oregon's Passing Defense = 88

Georgia's Total Defense = 5
Oregon's Total Defense = 67