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re: What do some of you not understand about most of us wanting Harris to start?

Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:31 am to
Posted by PacWilly
Member since Jun 2010
552 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:31 am to
Up until the Arkansas game, LSU still had plenty to play for. We were 7-3 with hopes of a pretty good bowl game and another 10 win season. Contrary to what some Xbox fans on this board think, LSU football is not championship or bust. There is still plenty to play for short of a NC or even an SEC championship.

However, after the Arkansas loss and that dismal performance, you have to give Harris meaningful playing time against aTm and in the bowl game to know if you have something to build on next year.

If Harris can't manage more than 130 yds of offense even with his limitations today, we have much bigger problems. If that is true, we have two options: 1) fire Cam Cameron or 2) go find a JUCO QB and recruit a QB that is coachable.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
15586 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:39 am to
The coaches knew harris wasn't ready for AU but they put him in. Had he handled it better we wouldn't be in this situation. I really think miles is stuck and we won't see Harris again until he can handle business in game prep or practice.

Maybe the coaches will change their communication with the qbs and help expedite this.
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5219 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:40 am to
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I'm not defending Les, but playing QB is more than handing off the ball or throwing a pass. Managing the huddle, understanding defensive fronts, understanding defenses in general, understanding the checks/audibles, clock management, and playing under control, just to name a few.

Your argument in a vacuum would be a sound one. Unfortunately it falls apart when applying it to LSU. Jennings hasn't shown the ability to go through his progressions. He locks onto receivers. His ability to read defenses is limited to sending a man in motion to verify zone or man coverage. He isn't picking up blitzes and checking down to the safety valve. He doesn't audible or make checks at the line. The entire team looks to the sideline at play cards after the defense sets. LSU's offense is extremely dumbed down in that regard (I happen to agree with that approach btw). Most everything that you have listed are things this coaching staff has either gone out of its way to minimize or Jennings has shown to be incapable of.

Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:49 am to
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There were TWO pass interference calls while Jennings was QB. One of those passes would have resulted in a TD.


Hooray moral victory? Why didn't he score after 15 yards and a first down? I'll tell you why. He then threw for a 2 yard loss to Quinn, incomplete to Dupree, incomplete to Dural. After the next PI? Ball on 9, pass incomplete to Dupre, pass incomplete to Quinn.

Multiply by three of four? He was playing backups with the other team trying to take it easy on us but I'll entertain your stupidity just because I'm bored. You are saying Jennings was going to go either 15-30 for 240 and 3 PI penalties that would have been TD's but didn't happen after being awarded a first down and 15 yards. Or 20-40 for 320 yards with 4 PI penalties that would have been TD's. It's your opinion that if Jennings had played all 4 qtrs against Auburn's actual starters, he would have passed for the most yards of his career wtih more attempts then he has ever had in his career. What's it like being a functioning retard? Do you have little L and R stickers in your shoes so you don't get confused?
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:51 am to
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The coaches knew harris wasn't ready for AU but they put him in. Had he handled it better we wouldn't be in this situation. I really think miles is stuck and we won't see Harris again until he can handle business in game prep or practice.


So we get Jennings that has been worse in every level of the postion in the process. Awesome.
Posted by 11thACR
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Mar 2012
1652 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:54 am to
AJ is not capable of being in the top 50% 0f SEC QBs....Never Was ...Never Will Be. Winning with him as a starter makes the task of winning harder by 30 %.

Harris Is less ready to play ? Means maybe not likely he has upside.

If LSU is to be a 10 Win Team next Year they need a transfer....or help from some other source besides current staff and players.

Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:56 am to
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Harris Is less ready to play ? Means maybe not likely he has upside.


No it means Miles has made his decision. The only hope this team has going forward is for Harris to outwork Jennings during the offseason and for Miles to feel like he is deciding to make the switch. His ego will not allow for anything else. If a Juco comes in, he will not trust him enough to supplant Jennings. He will make him sit at least a year so he can master our complex playbook.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 11:57 am
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2609 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:58 am to
I think your comments should be directed at CLM. You are falling on deaf ears here on the RANT. We actually WATCH football games.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64619 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:00 pm to
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and for Miles to feel like



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Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5517 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:15 pm to
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He was playing backups with the other team trying to take it easy on us
He did not go in with backups in the game.


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You are saying Jennings was going to go either 15-30 for 240 and 3 PI penalties that would have been TD's but didn't happen after being awarded a first down and 15 yards. Or 20-40 for 320 yards with 4 PI penalties that would have been TD's
The point is that YOU post his numbers: 5-10 for 80 yards. Then YOU imply that they are horrific. However, when YOU extrapolate them over the entire game, they are fricking terrific.

My point remains: Jennings did MUCH better against Auburn than Harris did, and it's not even fricking close.

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It's your opinion that if Jennings had played all 4 qtrs against Auburn's actual starters, he would have passed for the most yards of his career wtih more attempts then he has ever had in his career.
Are you a fricking moron? LSU would not have thrown that much. But my point remains: Jennings did MUCH better against Auburn than Harris did, and it's not even fricking close.

And yes, I think Jennings could have had a good game against Auburn.

Alabama is the #6 defense.
Ole Miss is the #10 defense.
Florida is the #20 defense.
Arkansas is the #23 defense.

Auburn is the #64 defense.

Jennings played well in the limited time he had. He could have extended that good play over the entire game if he had started.

Your math is off with the PIs, 3x2=6 and 4x2=8.

So tell me, do you have little arrows on your mouth and your arse telling you which hole is for ingress and which hole is for egress?
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5517 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:18 pm to
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The only hope this team has going forward is for Harris to outwork Jennings during the offseason
No shite. Harris has to earn the position. Terrific breakthrough.


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and for Miles to feel like he is deciding to make the switch. His ego will not allow for anything else.
Miles and Cameron will play the QB who gives LSU the best chance for victory. That might be Jennings, and it might be Harris.


Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4743 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:36 pm to
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Ummm they were playing behind 1st round draft picks at QB. Unless you think AJ is a 1st round pick, this doesn't hold up to well.


And why not? We were talking about the most outstanding players in all of football, and the point was simply that they got zero snaps as freshmen, and progressed pretty damn well. Harris doesn't have to have snaps this year to be good next year. This proves exactly that.

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And? They do the same thing with Jennings


Nearly every play? No, they do not. I haven't counted, but I'd bet its 3-1 Harris vs Jennings that they do this for.

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Then it's safe to assume he started working harder.


Why? He hadn't apparently done it by 11/4 in the past 8 months, but all of a sudden he did? And after a week and a half, even if he did, he should be rewarded?

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What pressure does he have? He would be replacing a QB that has performed worse than just about every QB in LSU history, at least for the last 25 years. Will also let the rest of the O that they have a coach willing to give them a fighting chance to perform at a high level.


I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here. But the problem is that one of the worst performances I have ever seen at QB was against Auburn. If he goes out and tanks again, what does that do for him? Maybe he's just really not ready, for a bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with talent or play, and it is the best for this team and for him to start anew in 2015. I don't recall a person last year on here complaining that Mett was done after last year so we should bench him and start Jennings to get the work to be better this year. In essence, we all hope that the situations are similar, except AJ won't be graduating.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:39 pm to
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Miles and Cameron will play the QB who gives LSU the best chance for victory.


Lol. 0-17. Arky
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26622 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:43 pm to
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We wont do any worse with harris under center. Plus, the season is a wash, belk bowl, indy bowl, whatever there isnt much difference. If we lose with Harris under center, we lose with Jennings under center plain and simple.


This is what I don't understand. Jennings provides nothing but full grasp of the playbook. So is this another Welter/Beckwith situation? Let the better guy play and take his lumps. With experience, he should develop. I hate to beat a dead horse, but Brad Kaaya, JT Barrett, and now Kyle Allen are doing it. Hell, Tennessee finally went to Dobbs and their offense has went from slow and bland, to explosive all around. Their running game has gotten a million times better than before.

We have a caged bird right now. Let the guy take flight.
Posted by Chitter Chatter
In and Out of Consciousness
Member since Sep 2009
4658 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:47 pm to
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quote:What do y'all not understand about seeing how nearly every snap Harris has done has been with the play coming in from the sideline at the line, illustrating there is some disconnect there? And? They do the same thing with Jennings


And I would say the coaches don't trust their players.... which could also go to their recruiting of QBs; maybe our players aren't smart enough; or probably Les and OC/coaches don't know what the hell play to call as that play clock sure gets low sometimes. Damn, how hard is it to call something out of I formation or toss sweep
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26622 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:50 pm to
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What makes you think that Harris is better than Jennings? Seriously. I'm not choosing sides, but I am challenging your statement. How do you know he is better? How many practice sessions have you attended? How many team meetings have you attended? What are your qualifications for judging talent? What is the basis of your position? Please provide some evidence other than the guy sitting next to you at the Cypress Bar said so.


Jennings is statistically one of the worst starting QBs in the FBS. Hell, he may be one of the worst starting QBs in all of college football statistically, meaning FCS, JUCO, and whatever else there is.

If Harris can't do better than 8 of 26 for 76 yards, or 12 of 22 for 87 yards, then we are seriously fricked!
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:41 pm to
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Jennings did MUCH better than Harris in the Auburn game, and it's not even close.


he threw for a handful more yards and put up ZERO points against the 2nd stringers.

you're wrong.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:43 pm to
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Try multiplying 5-10 for 80 yards by three or four.


holy fricking projection batman...
Posted by Sev09
Nantucket
Member since Feb 2011
15555 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:47 pm to
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Less Miles.


Cute.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10890 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:49 pm to
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dont care who starts, I just want A&M to kick the shite out of us.
Everybody I know feels the same way. Things have to get worse and hit rock bottom before they get better. We all know what has to happen before significant change occurs, particularly so when Stubborness and Ego personified are in charge of the program. Best thing that could happen to this program right would be to get another butt kicking on Thanksgiving Night.
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