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re: What do some of you not understand about most of us wanting Harris to start?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:28 am to bigoyster
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:28 am to bigoyster
This season, he has handled two QB's said to be competing for the starting position in the following manner: Anthony Jennings has thrown for a 46% completion rate. He has averaged 18 attempts for ~127 yards passing starting 10 games out of 11. He has thrown for 9 TD's against 6 Int's. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
In his last 4 games, he performed at a rate of 46% completion rate, he has averaged 20 attempts in that span, averaged passing for 106 yards per game, has 3 TD's to 3 Int's along with a fumble. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
Brandon Harris has attempted 5 or more passes in 4 games. In those games, he has passed for a 62% completion rate, he has averaged 11 attempts passing for 110 yards per game starting 1 game of the 11 played, he has 6 TD's to 1 Int. In those games he has rushed for 20 times for an average 7.2 YPC and 3 TD's.
In his last 4 games, he performed at a rate of 46% completion rate, he has averaged 20 attempts in that span, averaged passing for 106 yards per game, has 3 TD's to 3 Int's along with a fumble. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
Brandon Harris has attempted 5 or more passes in 4 games. In those games, he has passed for a 62% completion rate, he has averaged 11 attempts passing for 110 yards per game starting 1 game of the 11 played, he has 6 TD's to 1 Int. In those games he has rushed for 20 times for an average 7.2 YPC and 3 TD's.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:29 am to lsuhunt555
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I dont care who starts, I just want A&M to kick the shite out of us.
This is the brilliant statements that come from the "I Hate Les Miles No Matter What" Crowd.
Dude you can hug a nut. Typical I am an LSU fan only if I get my way.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:30 am to Methuselah
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Assume for the same of argument that Miles wants to develop Harris as a player, as Tiger and as a young man. Let's also assume that Miles and his staff have determined that it would be detrimental to these goals to start Harris right now (in the A&M game). Finally assume that the probability of victory over TAMU would be approximately equal with either quarterback or slightly better with Harris (say 55/45 split). What would your suggestion to Miles be?
my suggestion would be to start harris still. You play to win the game. But I don't think much of this is true
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:31 am to icegator337
Miles said that Jennings is less of a risk to turn the ball over... what games has he been watching?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:34 am to Tiger Nation 84
If we were running some complex offense that only Jennings understood, I would completely agree he should start.
But to tell us that Harris can't hand the ball off 75% of the time or make simple stretch throws is insulting to our intelligence.
But to tell us that Harris can't hand the ball off 75% of the time or make simple stretch throws is insulting to our intelligence.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:36 am to Tiger Nation 84
What do you not understand about some of us saying Harris needs to progress before starting again? The past two Heisman trophy winners did not a play one down of college football their freshman years, and still won the trophy the next, thus making your point about the much needed game experience moot.
What do y'all not understand about seeing how nearly every snap Harris has done has been with the play coming in from the sideline at the line, illustrating there is some disconnect there?
What do you not understand about not wanting to put a true freshman in the game to possibly wreck his confidence, irreparably for the coming year?
What do you not understand about some of us saying the coaches may not be playing him due to work ethic, and trying to build him into a better player for next year? By the way, this is Harris' tweet from a couple weeks back, along with a picture of him in a headset following Les on the sideline...
"@bharrisqb1: My thoughts have been MAJOR.. But my work ethic has been average. Won't see my results that way. Time to go harder."
What y'all don't understand, surely, is that we ALL think he will be the better choice for this team. We ALL understand Jennings hasn't gotten it done. But it doesn't mean that the best thing for this team, for Harris, for the years to come is to start Harris or even play him significantly over the next couple games, despite nearly all of us wanting to see it.
What do y'all not understand about seeing how nearly every snap Harris has done has been with the play coming in from the sideline at the line, illustrating there is some disconnect there?
What do you not understand about not wanting to put a true freshman in the game to possibly wreck his confidence, irreparably for the coming year?
What do you not understand about some of us saying the coaches may not be playing him due to work ethic, and trying to build him into a better player for next year? By the way, this is Harris' tweet from a couple weeks back, along with a picture of him in a headset following Les on the sideline...
"@bharrisqb1: My thoughts have been MAJOR.. But my work ethic has been average. Won't see my results that way. Time to go harder."
What y'all don't understand, surely, is that we ALL think he will be the better choice for this team. We ALL understand Jennings hasn't gotten it done. But it doesn't mean that the best thing for this team, for Harris, for the years to come is to start Harris or even play him significantly over the next couple games, despite nearly all of us wanting to see it.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:36 am to Methuselah
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Miles wants to develop Harris as a player
I'm quite certain Les is desirous of Harris developing as a player. I'm also equally certain that development is limited if he's not actually playing the game. Play Harris, maybe take some lumps, but give him the experience.
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as Tiger and as a young man
Harris appears to be well grounded already. I don't see how additional playing time mars his character.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:40 am to Holden Caulfield
get cameron out of the booth. now.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:46 am to Methuselah
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What would your suggestion to Miles be?
QUIT RUNNING THE SAME OFFENSE a-hole!!!!!!
Something along those lines.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:49 am to monsterballads
quote:#1 is almost assuredly wrong. I'm sure Harris has learned a lot from the Auburn game.
you have the ones that bring up the auburn game as if to say that:
1. Harris hasn't learned anything from that experience
2. jennings did better than harris in said auburn game
neither IMO are true
#2 is absolutely correct. Watch this video: Harris v. Jennings at Auburn
Jennings did MUCH better than Harris in the Auburn game, and it's not even close. In nearly three quarters, Harris completed three passes; only one was over three yards. The one pass over three yards was underthrown into double coverage. It was a long completion. LSU scored on the next play. That's great. Good for Harris. But he still played much worse than Jennings.
For example, LSU had runs of 6, 8, 9, 10, 7, and 6 yards on first down of its first six possessions. Only one of those possessions had a first down. Harris killed a lot of those possessions by fumbling without contact, running the wrong play, or missing BADLY on his throws. Harris was constantly running from a clean pocket.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:51 am to Tiger Nation 84
This seems like a strawman. We've got issues at QB. We really don't have a good understanding of what's going on. Therefore, I have to defer to the coaches who actually do know what's going on.
The little bit we've seen of Harris isn't all world either and I can understand trying not to ruin the kid's confidence. I choose not to wail and moan about it like a hysterical woman.
Hopefully he plays, plays well, and gets experience.
The little bit we've seen of Harris isn't all world either and I can understand trying not to ruin the kid's confidence. I choose not to wail and moan about it like a hysterical woman.
Hopefully he plays, plays well, and gets experience.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:56 am to Fratigerguy
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What do you not understand about some of us saying Harris needs to progress before starting again? The past two Heisman trophy winners did not a play one down of college football their freshman years, and still won the trophy the next, thus making your point about the much needed game experience moot.
Ummm they were playing behind 1st round draft picks at QB. Unless you think AJ is a 1st round pick, this doesn't hold up to well.
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What do y'all not understand about seeing how nearly every snap Harris has done has been with the play coming in from the sideline at the line, illustrating there is some disconnect there?
And? They do the same thing with Jennings
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What do you not understand about not wanting to put a true freshman in the game to possibly wreck his confidence, irreparably for the coming year?
That it's a bullshite excuse for the weak.
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"@bharrisqb1: My thoughts have been MAJOR.. But my work ethic has been average. Won't see my results that way. Time to go harder."
Then it's safe to assume he started working harder. Yet he still didn't get in against Arkansas amidst the abortion Jennings performed.
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But it doesn't mean that the best thing for this team, for Harris, for the years to come is to start Harris or even play him significantly over the next couple games, despite nearly all of us wanting to see it.
What pressure does he have? He would be replacing a QB that has performed worse than just about every QB in LSU history, at least for the last 25 years. Will also let the rest of the O that they have a coach willing to give them a fighting chance to perform at a high level.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:57 am to Fratigerguy
What do y'all not understand about seeing how nearly every snap Jennings has done has been with the play coming in from the sideline at the line, illustrating there is some disconnect there?
got that one
got that one This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:00 am to bigoyster
What makes you think that Harris is better than Jennings?
My 2 cents-
Better speed, quickness, elusiveness.
Extremely quick 7 step drop allows for better play action passes.
Sees the receivers better during play action.
Feels pressure better in the pocket.
Sees the whole field and can go through the progression.
Stronger arm.
Can run the no huddle.
Better at spread and play action.
Better at read option.
Needs experience to make transition from HS/non-conference speed to SEC speed to improve reaction time...
Needs to get stronger to be able to absorb SEC hits...
Needs to fix whatever issues are between him and coaches...
Possibly too much of a gunslinger for Miles liking. May take too many chances/increase turnovers...
My 2 cents-
Better speed, quickness, elusiveness.
Extremely quick 7 step drop allows for better play action passes.
Sees the receivers better during play action.
Feels pressure better in the pocket.
Sees the whole field and can go through the progression.
Stronger arm.
Can run the no huddle.
Better at spread and play action.
Better at read option.
Needs experience to make transition from HS/non-conference speed to SEC speed to improve reaction time...
Needs to get stronger to be able to absorb SEC hits...
Needs to fix whatever issues are between him and coaches...
Possibly too much of a gunslinger for Miles liking. May take too many chances/increase turnovers...
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:01 am to Salviati
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For example, LSU had runs of 6, 8, 9, 10, 7, and 6 yards on first down of its first six possessions.
Guess how many of those drives we finishe by running on the next 2 plays. 3, count them up, 3 of the first 21 plays were passes. That's a recipe for success let me tell you.
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Jennings did MUCH better than Harris in the Auburn game, and it's not even close.
5-10 for 80 yards and no scoring drives against backups. You guys are hopeless.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:02 am to Salviati
quote:its pretty close, we scored 7 frickin points
Jennings did MUCH better than Harris in the Auburn game, and it's not even close
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:03 am to Mr. Wayne
quote:i do think we handled second and short terribly bad that game in the first quarter we shite the bed on second every drive. Fumble snap, penalties, negative play....
quote: For example, LSU had runs of 6, 8, 9, 10, 7, and 6 yards on first down of its first six possessions.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:11 am to bigoyster
You might have a point. He was knock out good in the game he started, wasn't he?
He played bad against Auburn yes
But Jennings did not play well either
And at one point this season BH Les the team on 9 straight scoring drives and almost led a comeback vs Miss st
If you use BHs performance against AU as reason for him not playing how the hell do you justify AJ playing because his best is almost as bad as Harris's worst
He played bad against Auburn yes
But Jennings did not play well either
And at one point this season BH Les the team on 9 straight scoring drives and almost led a comeback vs Miss st
If you use BHs performance against AU as reason for him not playing how the hell do you justify AJ playing because his best is almost as bad as Harris's worst
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:11 am to Tiger Nation 84
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My suggestion would be to let Jennings play the first 2 series, no matter how good or bad, bring Harris in on the 3rd series and let him play until halftime. If he isnt doing so great then Let Jennings start the first 2 or 3 series after the half and then bring Harris back in again ...
Thanks for replying. I think this is a very reasonable approach (I didn't quote the name calling as it detracts from the reasonableness IMO).
I've kind of been hoping they would do something like this last week and in some of the earlier games as well.
Unless Miles and staff really feel that it would be sending the wrong message to Harris regarding what work he needs to put in the earn the spot, I would like to see some type of rotation similar to this.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:23 am to Mr. Wayne
quote:When Harris screws up a play or fleas a clean pocket and tries to run, they count that as a Harris run, but it was NOT supposed to be a run.
Guess how many of those drives we finishe by running on the next 2 plays. 3, count them up, 3 of the first 21 plays were passes.
quote:There were TWO pass interference calls while Jennings was QB. One of those passes would have resulted in a TD.
5-10 for 80 yards
MORE IMPORTANTLY, Jennings only played for a little over one quarter. Try multiplying 5-10 for 80 yards by three or four. You're fricking hopleless.
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