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re: What advantage, if any, is having rotating QBs
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:02 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:02 pm to monsterballads
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Show me a 2 QB system that has won a national championship. florida 2006 LSU 2007 LSU 2011* * = championship game appearance
2011 LSU shouldn't have been a two QB system and it directly cost us a national title game.
LSU 2007 wasn't a two qb system perilloux ran maybe 3-4 plays a game...that was almost all Flynn except for the SEC title game
Florida 2006 is an anomonoly Tebow is one of the greatest college QBs of all-time regardless of how you think of him. And Meyer wasn't just going to bench Chris Leak when he was a serviceable senior. Plus if anyone can run it right it would be a spread-option QB with Urban Meyer as your coach...
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Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:09 pm to White Tiger
07 worked out pretty well. I was the one always complaining about putting in Periloux when the offense was just now clicking. But Les stuck to his plan regardless of the opponent or game situation.
Periloux was given two drives a game and came in on short yardage. 3-4 plays a game?
Hated it until Flynn went down and Periloux won the SEC championship game for us.
Les used 2 QB's that year masterfully.
How do u know how Les will use both QB's?
Periloux was given two drives a game and came in on short yardage. 3-4 plays a game?
Hated it until Flynn went down and Periloux won the SEC championship game for us.
Les used 2 QB's that year masterfully.
How do u know how Les will use both QB's?
This post was edited on 8/28/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:19 pm to shaqtaw
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Show me a 2 QB system that has won a national championship. The 5 examples you gave are teams that are not national power houses looking for a national championship on a yearly basis. I know the Florida deal but I think Florida would have won with just tebow starting. Are you really comparing Indiana football to LSU football.
Are you a moron? It is more than just the QBs that play the game.
17th in the country in passing
8th in passing TDs
9th in total offense
16th in scoring offense
30th in running
They did that with 2 and 3 star players. They did that in the Big 10, not some cupcake AAC, CUSA, MAC type conference. They have considerably less talent than LSU, are ahead in every major statistical offensive category other than rushing, but they still finished only one spot behind LSU in that.
The reason why they were so bad, was that not only did they lose their dynamite RB nine games in (had over 950 yards and 12 TDs in rushing alone), but their defense was utterly atrocious.
They were ranked
115th in scoring defense
117th in rush defense
120th in pass defense
123rd in total defense.
While they were one of the best offenses in the nation, under a dual QB system no less, they were also one of the worst defenses in the nation.
You guys honestly need to keep up on more than just SEC football.
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2qb system means you do not have one QB you can depend on to get the job done.
BINGO GENIUS!!! I basically said that. There is no advantage of a two QB system unless a dual threat aids the pocket passer starter in making the team more dynamic. Other than that, a 2 QB system is used when one guy has not established himself over the other.
What I was arguing was the fact that it has proven to work successfully. Why in the fudge would you bring shite about championships and what not when that is a team duty? I'm talking strictly on the success of the QB position. I would have loved to have a Tre Roberson Nate Sudfield problem here at LSU. It works itself out after a year, so the 2 QB is only a bandaid.
it's not as unsuccessful as many people believe, because if it was, I would have gotten at least 100 examples by now.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:28 pm to White Tiger
The only advantage I can think of is if you want the guy that knows the play book better right now to take the majority of the snaps (though he may not actually throw the ball more) to keep the offense on track and give you more plays to work with.
While the younger and less experienced QB can focus more on a smaller set of plays and get really good at them. He might also be able to provide a spark off the bench and possibly swing the momentum of the game. Kind of like how James Harden was used in OKC though he logged more minutes than *Seffalosha, I believe.
While the younger and less experienced QB can focus more on a smaller set of plays and get really good at them. He might also be able to provide a spark off the bench and possibly swing the momentum of the game. Kind of like how James Harden was used in OKC though he logged more minutes than *Seffalosha, I believe.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:48 pm to TigerFan55555
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2011 LSU shouldn't have been a two QB system and it directly cost us a national title game.
if jefferson doesn't save lee's arse in the GOTC, LSU doesn't make the title game.
fact.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:56 pm to White Tiger
for the most part I agree. I think with two quarterbacks false start and delay of game penalties will go up. Especially with Freshman. I really wish one guy would've stood out during camp. What I am excited about though is the fact that we have CAM now and I don't know what he has in mind. Also, haivng dual QB's shows that the coaches have a willingness to try anything.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:24 am to Datbayoubengal
Dude your calling me a mororn and In the same sentence your calling the big 10 a good conference? The big 10 sucks. Hereis Indianas results last year
Teams beat:
Indiana state
Bowling green
Penn state
Illinois
Purdue
Teams lost to
Navy
Missouri
Michigan st
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Ohio st
Indiana had a 5-7 record, I don't care what your stats say, the 2 QB system did not work.
Teams beat:
Indiana state
Bowling green
Penn state
Illinois
Purdue
Teams lost to
Navy
Missouri
Michigan st
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Ohio st
Indiana had a 5-7 record, I don't care what your stats say, the 2 QB system did not work.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:31 am to shaqtaw
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Indiana had a 5-7 record, I don't care what your stats say, the 2 QB system did not work.
Both QBs played very well though. He stated that their defense is dreadful and they lost their RB.
The 2QB system wasn't their downfall.
There's also been many teams that've been successful running 2 QBs.
Both of our QBs won't be tasked with much so it's not really a big deal anyway.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:34 am to White Tiger
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I can think of no advantage for the offense.
the only advantage I can think of is the one where playing both quarterbacks yields a more effective offense compared to just playing one of them...
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:46 am to Broham
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Hard to get into a rhythm when you keep getting pulled.
if it's managed properly you're not getting "pulled". Hodson/Guidry, Flynn/Perrilloux, Leak/Tebow are good examples. Randall/Russell and 2010 Lee/Jefferson are not.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:04 am to Penrod
less of an ability to predict cadence? but even then after 8-10 snaps for each guy they could start seeing some patterns
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:14 am to Datbayoubengal
Really the only advantage I can see is having two different style offenses that the defense has to account for. Pro style with a power running attack and a read option, quick passing, offense. Each QB can work on their specific style offense.
Not that I want to see this, but if we are using 2 QBs why not make the offense more diverse? Otherwise it just looks like the coaches can't decide who to start.
Not that I want to see this, but if we are using 2 QBs why not make the offense more diverse? Otherwise it just looks like the coaches can't decide who to start.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:41 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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If you have 2 qb's, you don't have one
After watching A&M destroy S Carolina with mr football's replacement, to me it means one of 2 things. Either they don't have a qb to compete with the starter, which I doubt, or the coaching staff had the balls to give the ball to one player, and let him play .Miles just can't swallow his ego , and let the OC run his part of the game. Miles must be drooling with the thought of jerking one qb at his whim , and replacing him with one who probably has a different cadence , different strengths, and possibly a different set of plays to be run, and expecting it to jump start the offence. I wonder what his thoughts were watching the Carolina game. It probably never entered his mind that A&M only used one inexperienced qb. It's going to cost us if it goes on game after game, which knowing Miles, it will. Another Lee/Miles-Jefferson success.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:53 am to cheeser
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.Miles just can't swallow his ego , and let the OC run his part of the game. Miles must be drooling with the thought of jerking one qb at his whim , and replacing him with one who probably has a different cadence , different strengths, and possibly a different set of plays to be run, and expecting it to jump start the offence. I wonder what his thoughts were watching the Carolina game. It probably never entered his mind that A&M only used one inexperienced qb. It's going to cost us if it goes on game after game, which knowing Miles, it will. Another Lee/Miles-Jefferson success.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:57 am to cheeser
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After watching A&M destroy S Carolina with mr football's replacement, to me it means one of 2 things. Either they don't have a qb to compete with the starter, which I doubt, or the coaching staff had the balls to give the ball to one player, and let him play .Miles just can't swallow his ego , and let the OC run his part of the game. Miles must be drooling with the thought of jerking one qb at his whim , and replacing him with one who probably has a different cadence , different strengths, and possibly a different set of plays to be run, and expecting it to jump start the offence. I wonder what his thoughts were watching the Carolina game. It probably never entered his mind that A&M only used one inexperienced qb. It's going to cost us if it goes on game after game, which knowing Miles, it will. Another Lee/Miles-Jefferson success.
Exhibit A of a rantard
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:33 am to LosLobos111
I was kinda thinking the same thing . Maybe my expectations are just too high. Maybe I should be steeling myself for a so-so season. I will tell you one thing. My thoughts concerning Miles ability to coach have not changed from day one.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:20 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
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This Saturday? So Les and Cam can decide who the starter will be for the rest of the season.
Yeah, I don't understand why this thread has gone even this far. Pretty sure we are just trying to figure out which QB will be the leader.
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