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re: What advantage, if any, is having rotating QBs
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:46 pm to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:46 pm to Burt Reynolds
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The other team has to prepare for different offensive attacks
That's a double-edged sword. We also have to prepare two offensive attacks, and that takes a lot of practice time, not just for the QBs, but also for the rest of the offensive players, coaches, etc.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:08 pm to White Tiger
With similar skill-sets it should not be that predictable at first; not until a few games where play-calling patterns can be studied. Both can run and both can make every throw according to the coaches. We'll see. There is one huge, obvious advantage to the dual QB's. If an injury occurs, you've got someone coming in who's already geared into the game-plan rather than a sub who wasn't expecting to see meaningful p.t.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 4:13 am to atltiger6487
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You're plucking a few examples (and Indiana ISN'T a great example).
Indiana is a great example. Actually try to sit down and watch other football than just SEC. One guy would play bad or mediocre in the game, and then the other guy would come in and light it up. They did this a lot last year. You don't use two QBs just for the hell of it. You use it because it is beneficial in not only becoming more dynamic, but teams have to game plan for both, and you do anything to get the win.
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I've been watching college football for 5 decades, and in the vast majority of cases, a two QB system doesn't work. Sure, there are examples where it's worked, but overall, it doesn't.
Provide me with real examples. I've given you 5 in 3 years, and by your claim, you could easily give me 50. I'll settle for 15 though.
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Plus, let's be on the same page. A "2 QB system" means that two QBs actually play a good bit throughout a game and using both of them is part of the game plan. It's not a "2 QB system" when one QB replaces the other due to injury or bad play, etc.
If you are using two QBs who each get a good amount of snaps over several games, no matter what else, that is a two QB system. Don't give me this asinine idea about he was playing bad, so they switched QBs, and that doesn't count. Well dumbass, if he had to do this in 5, 6, 7+ games, ummm that's using 2 QBs to get the job done. I mean seriously guy a coach likes what both bring to the table, and if one is having a bad day, maybe the other won't.
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I wouldn't say that JJ/JL was a 2 QB system. Yes, both played, but JL started due to JJ's suspension and JJ got back as a starter after JL failed against Bama. So not really a true "2 QB" system.
After JJ got back off suspension, him and Lee pretty much split reps at QB sometimes 70/30 other times 60/40 up until the game after Bama.
The essence of a two QB system is utilizing both to get the win. Doesn't matter if one played bad or mediocre and the other lit it up, they were both used a good amount to get the win. Why do you not understand that?
If one guy was head and shoulders better than the other in any QB system, they wouldn't run it.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 6:03 am to TheWalrus
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Less fatigue? That's about all I can think of as an advantage.
If both quarterbacks are mobile, yeah, fatigue is a factor. There is also the advantage of watching what the defense is doing from the sideline. You can also send a package of 3 to 5 plays in with the QB on the exchange - that avoids or reduces the need for all the flash cards, cryptology and other stuff to keep the other defense from stealing your sideline signals.
It does give the center (and other OL) a challenge to adjust to the new QB - this can affect ball security on the snap and increase false starts.
It's not a panacea - it's not the end of the world.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 6:48 am to White Tiger
The 2 QB system has made CLM the most successful coach in LSU history. Why are you questioning his decisions?
Posted on 8/28/14 at 6:59 am to White Tiger
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I can think of no advantage for the offense. Does it not make it more predictable based on the skill set of the signal caller? How can it keep the opposing defense off balance? It just makes no sense to me.
It's an advantage over the alternative when neither guy has convinced the coaching staff that he can handle the job completely. So, it allows the competition to continue...the development of each to continue...with the hope that one starts outplaying the other.
It's not an in game tactical advantage.
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My take is that CLM does not like what he sees in Jennings passing ability. I cannot believe that he thinks LSU will just line up and blow every other team off the line as its running game amasses more than 300 yds/gm and tilts the TOP way in favor of the Bayou Bengals.
We are going to run the ball a lot under both QBs, not just Jennings. In fact, we would probably throw more passes with Jennings in the game at this stage.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:00 am to Capt ST
Until of course ZMett came along.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:48 am to TIGRLEE
Show me a 2 QB system that has won a national championship. The 5 examples you gave are teams that are not national power houses looking for a national championship on a yearly basis. I know the Florida deal but I think Florida would have won with just tebow starting. Are you really comparing Indiana football to LSU football.
2qb system means you do not have one QB you can depend on to get the job done.
2qb system means you do not have one QB you can depend on to get the job done.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:54 am to White Tiger
There is absolutely zero advantage to rotating QB's. None. I will never understand it. I fricking hate it.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:56 am to shaqtaw
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Show me a 2 QB system that has won a national championship
2007 Florida Gators with Leak and Tebow, but that's beside the point. I agree with...
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2qb system means you do not have one QB you can depend on to get the job done.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:15 am to White Tiger
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Could see him being a future AD
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the offensive unit in football is the most coordinated and synchronized of any unit/team in sports. It must run with a watch-like precision which begins and not infrequently ends with the QB. It seems that again LSU is weak in the most critical position.
I couldn't agree more. Miles playing two QBs is probably bad news. It probably means neither one is there yet. Also, it surely means he thinks the future is with Harris. Hopefully we can weather the first half of the year until Harris or AJ develops.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:24 am to shaqtaw
quote:Won what? The '06 natty says LOL.
Florida would have won with just tebow starting.
'07 LSU won using 2QBs, unless you have some snap % to qualify. RP contributed over 900yds on about 125 snaps.
Not champs, but UF also used late 90s, '97 loss to LSU, IIRC.
Michigan used 2QBs with Tom Brady.
tOSU used it a lot in mid-90s.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:24 am to Mayhawman
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RP contributed over 900yds on about 125 snaps.
Including the SECCG win that led to the NC appearance. Although people like to act like Flynn carried the team on his back all season.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:26 am to White Tiger
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Cannot see him starting a true freshman. It could be asking for trouble
FIFY....nothing is guaranteed!
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:57 am to White Tiger
what it means is that Harris hasn't pulled away from Jennings yet...and they are giving him every opportunity to do so because he is prob more physically talented. I still believe if you have two qb's you really don't have one falls into this category...Jennings is a fine young man, but he is about to really be feeling the pressure if he hasn't already, to know that a guy is behind you creeping up knowing that he is more talented, not exactly setup to succeed their in my opinion, but again the best player plays as it should be...once harris learns the offense, it will be harris...you have to have the ability to throw the deep ball consistently in our offense because we run so much....The next 4 games will be exciting to watch to say the least...
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:17 am to TigerFan55555
The most obvious answer here is to see which is better in an actual fricking game....jeez. 
This reminds me of Allen Iverson's "practice?" rant. If the two QB's are in a dead heat, then how else do you decide which deserves the starting spot without each playing a game yet?
This reminds me of Allen Iverson's "practice?" rant. If the two QB's are in a dead heat, then how else do you decide which deserves the starting spot without each playing a game yet?
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:46 am to White Tiger
Its just a smoke screen from Les. LF is going to rush for 5,000yds & 150 TD's this year so QB play will be largely iirrelevant.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:12 am to shaqtaw
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Show me a 2 QB system that has won a national championship.
florida 2006
LSU 2007
LSU 2011*
* = championship game appearance
This post was edited on 8/28/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:16 am to monsterballads
I am not a fan of the 2 QB sys, but it can work if it the element of surprise is allowed to stay in..
we tend to bring in the best running QB only when we have a must-run situation...
the other team knows it also.
The sys does add a little insurance in case of injury.
we tend to bring in the best running QB only when we have a must-run situation...
the other team knows it also.
The sys does add a little insurance in case of injury.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:46 am to White Tiger
You guys are WAY overthinking this. The point of this 2 QB system is to see which one performs better in live action against the same opponent.
Nothing more, nothing less.
In more general terms, i dont see the point in fully deploying a 2 QB system unless the guys bring different attributes to the table.
But once again, that's not at all what CLM is doing.
Nothing more, nothing less.
In more general terms, i dont see the point in fully deploying a 2 QB system unless the guys bring different attributes to the table.
But once again, that's not at all what CLM is doing.
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