re: We've seen this before...2012

Lol, I'm talking about this year...sheesh!

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Tiger Voodoo

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2008 - 55th nationally in total offense; 5th in the SEC in Total offense out of 12 teams. What's humorous is you think we threw it because we wanted to. We were behind so much because of our defense being shredded we actually reached balance and eclipsed the 2006 total out of necessity.

But don't let that 50+ spot UGA hung on us in Tiger Stadium get in the way of you using the points we put up trying to air it out to stay with them to buoy your weak argument.

I love it when folks get self righteous and then either by design or just blissfully ignore context that weakens their point. Really. I do.

2009 - 112th Ranked Offense in the Nation; 11th in the SEC in Total Offense.

You're actually trying to prop that up as a great year offensively. You're-literally-too stupid to insult here.

2010 - 86th ranked offense in the nation; 11th in the SEC in Total Offense.

You didn't even bother to argue this one. I'm glad. Your foolishness is tedious.

2012 - 85th ranked offense in the nation; 10th out of 14 in the SEC in Total Offense.

You keep talking about balance and passing; I'm talking about production. In each of these examples we're performing at a staggeringly lower level compared to other teams nationally and in conference. What we are doing isn't working. The system, the calls, the players, the coaching, the development. It's obviously not working. What's ironic is that you can point to all of them and many different issues and maladies, but only two constants through all of this:

LSU finishing at or near the bottom nationally and in the Conference in Total Offense, and Les Miles as the Head Coach.

2014 - You again aren't bothering to argue.

So to recap, I'm here talking about total offense and how something needs to change and improve. Instead, you're blathering about passing attempts and points per game in a vaccuum as if they somehow validate Miles. When in reality, compared to peer programs nationally and in the SEC, we don't compare. They reveal him to be an abject failure in his responsibility to provide the program with a credible offensive threat, whether through balance, points, etc.

They're failing-repeatedly, repetitively, with different players, different assistants, and different coordinators.

The constant is Miles.

The numbers do not lie. Your lack of context is trying its damndest to.

We produce yards at a historically terrible level compared to the rest of CFB and the SEC since the disastrous 2008 season. Ignore, spin, do whatever you want.

Own it. Miles sure does.

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You keep talking about balance and passing; I'm talking about production.

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Well, now you are, apparently. But this is the quote from you that I was responding to when breaking down each season to show how wrong you were about our offensive balance and passing:

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People preaching for patience are honestly lacking in perspective. He's had an incredibly long time to right the offensive ship and people are tired of....being unable to field a balanced offense that can make plays through the air.

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But that's ok, us reasonable minded folks are more than used to your type moving the goal posts and changing arguments midstream once your clouded memories and flawed logic are pointed out with facts and context. Which makes this the funniest statement you've made so far:

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I love it when folks get self righteous and then either by design or just blissfully ignore context that weakens their point. Really. I do.

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Yet you also say this:

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Circumstances can only be described as extenuating for so long before people begin to view them as excuses.

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Your entire approach is to completely ignore context. You simply point to a number, in this instance "total offense", and pretend as though it tells the whole story while completely ignoring all context. But that's ok, your elementary thought process is easy enough to address. So, let me walk you through it:

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2008 - 55th nationally in total offense; 5th in the SEC in Total offense out of 12 teams. What's humorous is you think we threw it because we wanted to. We were behind so much because of our defense being shredded we actually reached balance and eclipsed the 2006 total out of necessity.

But don't let that 50+ spot UGA hung on us in Tiger Stadium get in the way of you using the points we put up trying to air it out to stay with them to buoy your weak argument.

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So, by your own numbers, you are including a year in which LSU finished 5th in the SEC in "total offense" and scored over 30 points a game as an "atrocious" year for Miles' O. As silly as that notion is, it doesn't need much argument. I did list 2008 as a year with less than good quarterback play due solely to the interceptions by Lee, but the offensive "production", since that is what you now claim to be talking about, was certainly not "atrocious".

But going back to what I was originally addressing, your comment about balance, you go on about how bad our defense was "shredded", presumably in an attempt to cling to the idea that Miles doesn't ever "want" to throw the ball, and only does so out of "necessity".

You list the Georgia game as an example of this "desperation", despite the fact that LSU came out throwing on the first play of the game, a play that ended up being a pick 6, one of two on the day. Even then, LSU tied the game up on the next series, on a great drive capped off by a Lee touchdown, and was never down by more than 14 points at any point in the game. This was not some 28-0 game where LSU was simply throwing late to make up a huge deficit. Perhaps the Florida or Ole Miss games would have been a better example to make your still weak point, something to consider in the future.

Regardless, those 3 games are the only games that LSU may have arguably felt the need to throw "out of necessity" all season. Every other SEC game, including the Alabama game when Lee threw 34 passes, one of which was another pick 6, LSU never trailed by more than a touchdown.

While I'm not arguing that the 2008 defense wasn't bad, the idea that LSU only threw the ball that year "out of necessity" is not only false, it is completely blind to the fact that we probably threw it too much, as we were literally giving the opposing team a touchdown almost every game. You know, context.

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2009 - 112th Ranked Offense in the Nation; 11th in the SEC in Total Offense.

You're actually trying to prop that up as a great year offensively. You're-literally-too stupid to insult here.

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I did no such thing. I listed 2009 strictly as a year with good quarterback play, pointing out Jefferson's impressive numbers despite poor OL play and running game. You are literally too stupid to read here.

Remember, I was addressing your post about "being unable to field a balanced offense that can make plays through the air", that you later adjusted to talk about "production".

2009 was not just a bad offensive year. I would actually argue that it was easily our worst under Miles, worse than 2010 and 2014. Interestingly it was also by far our worst year rushing as well, while quarterback play was actually good. Hmmm, for all of those who complain about how much we run the ball, a cautionary tale perhaps???

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2010 - 86th ranked offense in the nation; 11th in the SEC in Total Offense.

You didn't even bother to argue this one. I'm glad. Your foolishness is tedious.

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I didn't argue. I agreed with you, yet you reference my "foolishness". Tedious indeed.

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2012 - 85th ranked offense in the nation; 10th out of 14 in the SEC in Total Offense.

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And this is the perfect example of your lack of context. LSU finished 10th in total offense, yes. Yet, they were 7 yards per game away from finishing 7th. Impressive? Not particularly, but certainly not "atrocious". We also scored 29.8 points per game. Again, nowhere near "atrocious".

And the context is even more relevant when you look at how the offense progressed throughout the year. Mettenberger struggled in his first four SEC games, with road games at Auburn, Texas A&M, and Florida, who won 11 games and fielded a top 5 defense nationally. He also faced #3 South Carolina at home in that stretch, and LSU emerged 3-1 in conference play as Miles and the offense controlled the clock and manufactured points.

In the second half of the season, Mettenberger and the offense exploded and carried that team to another 3-1 SEC record, starting against Alabama. LSU became the very balanced and explosive offense that we would see all year in 2013 in that record setting season.

This is particularly relevant given that all of this discussion is revolving around our week 1 performance, the OP's thoughts that this may be a year like 2012 when the offense struggled early but was playing extremely well by the end of the year, and your ilk's position that this team will not improve or change our approach as the season goes on. Specifically, your initial comment stated that:

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People preaching for patience are honestly lacking in perspective

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Ultimately, however, you including 2012 as an "atrocious" year for Miles and the LSU offense, based solely on "total offense" rank is simply wrong, and completely without context or any semblance of "perspective".

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2014 - You again aren't bothering to argue.

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No, I'm not. I'll give you that as an "atrocious" year.



So, you have 2009, 2010, and 2014 as "atrocious" years of offense based on "production".

3 years out of 10, and only 1 in the last 4 seasons.

Why exactly all the sky is falling, our offense is terrible, program is fricked, coach is dumb rhetoric after a very important SEC road win again???


On a side note, it's funny that these conversations about Miles and his offenses always completely disregard 2005, 2006, and 2007. Years in which LSU finished #3, #2, and #1 in total SEC offense respectively.

But, Saban's players

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I'm not sure I've seen anyone destroy someone else's argument like you just did. Bravo.

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actually, I'm a posi-tiger and a Miles supporter (at least have been through all these years so far - he is testing me).

But you are insane if you don't think we have major flaws with our offensive philosophy. I am dead set against the spread or some other gimmick. I am all for balance though...or at least 40/60. I understand last year because of our QB situation. It is clear though that we don't have that issue this year. Miles has GOT to change his way of thinking on offense...just bring some balance and non-predictability.....not that much to ask for and no schematic changes necessary. If he doesn't, I'm afraid we are going to continue on the trend we have been on for the last 8 years, in terms of NC success, barring 2011. We have the team to do it with this year....we really do. In fact, I'd argue we should be the favorite to win the SEC now (please don't tell me Ole Miss after playing a glorified high school team and a junior college). Miles only has to let all these playmakers make some plays now.

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You're right, his playcalling made the Ms. state kicker miss that field goal, or made Dak get a delay of game

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Nor did it get us two TDs called back by penalties.

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Nor did it get us two TDs called back by penalties.

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But instead of continuing to make the party calls like those two TDs... Miles went into scared little girl mode, which let them come back and decide who would win.

We got lucky.

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2012 - LSU 12 auburn 10

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That game was a total abortion.

No comparison at all to this year's State game.