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re: Two Years into a Four Year Program. RELAX!

Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:28 am to
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:28 am to
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Would you agree Ed left the program in FAR WORSE condition than UGA was left by Richt?


Perhaps, but Kirby did not have the benefit of the transfer portal, free transfer, and NIL.

This is the issue with Kelly. He has had the easiest path to rebuild a team over coaches from well before him.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18167 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:29 am to
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yeh there are plenty of coaches like them out there huh?

Which one should LSU have hired?
you're moving the goalposts.

My post was in response to your request for examples of championships in Year 2. I gave you examples, and other posters also mentioned Kirby Smart and Sonny Dykes.

Great coaches can make big progress, almost immediately.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:35 am to
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My post was in response to your request for examples of championships in Year 2


it was a legitimate question...i didn't know the answer but knew the list would be short. I wouldn't put Saban in there bc it was yr 3 for Saban and the original post was 2 years.

Now answer my question who should we have hired?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:37 am to
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Kirby did not have the benefit of the transfer portal, free transfer, and NIL.



Georgia has been stacked with elite talent for years under Richt. He didn't have to rebuild like Kelly has had to.. It's apples to oranges. They have had qbs transfer out and start for major D1 programs...that's how much talent Georgia has
Posted by Squawk7600
St. Tammany
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:41 am to
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examples?


Bobby Bowden
Bob Stoops
Tommy Bowden (Tulane)
Nick Saban
Bobby Petrino (Louisville)
Urban Meyer
Jim Tressel
Gary Patterson
Mark Richt
Pete Carrol
Kirby Smart
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21028 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:48 am to
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you're moving the goalposts. My post was in response to your request for examples of championships in Year 2. I gave you examples, and other posters also mentioned Kirby Smart and Sonny Dykes. Great coaches can make big progress, almost immediately.



Kelly made it to the SEC championship in year 1

Beat Bama when Bama had their greatest QB in history in year 1.

He did all this despite arriving to the program and only having a couple egg cartons of scholarship players.

But everyone wants to burn it down and start over everytime a damn coach loses a damn game at LSU.

Who the heck is gonna come and coach at LSU when they realize that a loss will mean you lose your job?

Let’s look at games Saban lost against big name teams.

Texas, Virginia Tech, Iowa.

Miles?

Bama a few times. Florida a few times, ole miss a few times, miss state, Georgia, Auburn a few times. Penn state, notre dame, Wisconsin.

Orgeron.

Multiple SEC teams and Troy.


But Kelly loses to a top 10 FSU who has shown improvement every year under their current coach, so let’s fire his arse.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:02 am to
Bobby Bowden-won NT in yr 18...is dead
Bob Stoops-Retired
Tommy Bowden (Tulane)-WTF I din't know Tulane won a natty
Nick Saban-year 3
Bobby Petrino (Louisville)-0 nattys
Urban Meyer-yes
Jim Tressel-retired bc he ran a dirty program
Gary Patterson-0 nattys
Mark Richt-lol
Pete Carrol- yr 3
Kirby Smart- yes

why not add O and Miles if you're including yr 3
Posted by Tigerstripe23
Member since Aug 2023
182 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:15 am to
JD is an athlete that plays QB. Nuss is QB that will ball.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
51027 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:16 am to
Hell maybe FSU runs through the ACC and makes the final four and we can all look back
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67593 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:17 am to
are you dating Nuss?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35487 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:34 am to
What year do we start fielding kicks cleanly? Is that year 3 or 4?
Posted by RastaTigah
Member since Feb 2020
244 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:41 am to
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elite coaches can build championship level rosters in year 2 at schools that can attract the talent.


Show me a coach who won a championship in year 2.
I’ll save you the google. Saban did it in 3. Kirby in 5. Relax
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by cptmacaroni
Garage
Member since Nov 2015
103 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:52 pm to
exactly, we had it in the first half. ^^^
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
5684 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:10 pm to
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What were you watching? Lol



What were you watching.

BK literally said " we are going to go and beat the crap out of FSU."

After the game "we are not the team i thought we were."
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Raz
Member since Oct 2006
7559 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:19 pm to
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Two Years into a Four Year Program. RELAX!


Relaxation isn't the identity of this fan base, nor should it be.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:21 pm to
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BK literally said " we are going to go and beat the crap out of FSU."



link?
Posted by Squawk7600
St. Tammany
Member since Dec 2020
35 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Bobby Bowden-won NT in yr 18...is dead
Bob Stoops-Retired
Tommy Bowden (Tulane)-WTF I din't know Tulane won a natty
Nick Saban-year 3
Bobby Petrino (Louisville)-0 nattys
Urban Meyer-yes
Jim Tressel-retired bc he ran a dirty program
Gary Patterson-0 nattys
Mark Richt-lol
Pete Carrol- yr 3
Kirby Smart- yes

why not add O and Miles if you're including yr 3


You didn’t say anything about winning a national championship. You said “championship level rosters.” Every single one of those coaches flipped their roster & culture well enough by year 2 that they were competing for championships.

You also didn’t say anything about coaches available to hire. You asked for examples of coaches who built championship level rosters in 2 years.

English is hard, but words mean things. You’re either moving goal posts, or not communicating very well.

quote:

elite coaches can build championship level rosters in year 2


quote:

examples?
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Squawk7600
St. Tammany
Member since Dec 2020
35 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:48 pm to
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link?


LINK
Posted by Squawk7600
St. Tammany
Member since Dec 2020
35 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:54 pm to
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Show me a coach who won a championship in year 2.


If we’re just talking national championships:

Jim Tressel
Bob Stoops
Urban Meyer

But other coaches experienced tremendous success at the national level in year two. Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, Mark Richt, Kirby Smart, etc.

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