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re: Two keys in turning LSU into an elite team
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:10 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:10 pm to CharlesLSU
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keys in turning LSU into an elite team
Knowing the playbook
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:18 pm to 318TigerFan
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Knowing the playbook
2. Recruit the QB that fits the system.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How can you look at the recruiting rankings and the out of conference record and conclude LSU isn't elite?
Do you think this team is elite? LSU is certainly (for now) an elite program
Yes, my post was being sarcastic. The only thing about LSU that is elite right now are the recruiting rankings and out of conference record. The actual play on the field is not elite.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:34 pm to LSU GrandDad
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some engineer you are. you have reached a conclusion w/o an adequate universe.
mmkay
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strategy and system are two different things.
I am well aware of that cock sucker. I was referring to the game plan that unfolded in the Arkansas game.
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the problem with your RCA is that it IS indeed wrong. the qb IS the problem. while his "game" is coming around in several areas, his deficiency is so monumental it ruins all strategy. he can't pass the ball successfully. he can't find the open receiver (although he has improved some on that), and he is just terrifically inaccurate or late in making his throws.
I am all for Jennings starting, but the SYSTEM that Miles has establish is flawed...
Let's take Jennings for example last year he stayed on the bench after being named the 2nd guy behind Mett. Jennings never saw any meaningful snaps until the Arkansas game and the bowl game (in which he looked horrible). Fast forward to today he looks just as bad as he did against Iowa. Why is that? The SYSTEM does not promote QB development. Secondly the play book is restricted to run plays and a few passing plays.
Now to Harris in the beginning he had received a fair amount of snaps. Post Auburn he has seen next to no action. With Harris getting next to no game time experience this is not good for his progression. The coaching staff does not aggressively develop the young talent.
ROOT Problem of the offense in the SYSTEM these young qbs are brought up in. Yes Jennings arm talent is not there but the bigger issue is the development and the play calling.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:46 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
System is actually very similar to Bama pre Kiffin. It does work with proper execution.
thus years defense paired with last year's offense wins the NC
thus years defense paired with last year's offense wins the NC
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:01 pm to monsterballads
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Valentine is going to be a defensive monster
FIFY. Tuehema will be the OL monster.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:12 pm to ellessuuuu
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By the way, we had QB's in the program that fit into a pro style offense and it was made clear to those QB's that Miles wants a mobile QB. We have a coach who is dead set on playing a mobile QB in a system that neutralizes the QB's natural talent and asks that QB to do things they are not comfortable with (throw from the pocket). It's not like we just ended up with running QB's, Miles actually recruits running QB's to put them under center in the I-formation.
Do you really believe Miles ran off better QBs (Rivers & Rettig) to keep less talented QBs because they are mobile? Under that theory shouldn't Harris be starting over Jennings because Harris is more mobile? And why isn't Jenning called to run more? Les wants a QB that remains in the pocket to pass but can run to get out of trouble and gain yardage. All else being equal he prefers a mobile QB over a statute.
As far as Rivers and Rettig, they left the program because two other QBs had passed them on the debth chart. Now the reason they gave for leaving to make themselves feel better is up to them. Mett was not mobile and he started two straight years. Would Miles have liked him to be more mobile, you bet he would. But Mett was the better QB and mobility did not stop him from starting. Were Rivers or Rettig as promising as Mett, mobility would not have stopped their ascension up the debth chart.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:16 pm to CharlesLSU
Well get on it coach
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:30 pm to Icansee4miles
Todd Black from Neville has wing t experience. Maybe Conroy could be the O.C.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:38 pm to nm1230
Great analysis.... LSU is an elite team outside the western conference but is last in conference (Ark beat our arse so we have to be worse than them)
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:48 pm to CharlesLSU
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1. Aggressively recruit the absolute best olineman you can.....whatever it takes. No more projects. Guess who does this? Best way to mitigate a troubled QB system is a strong oline unit.
I say this is important, but there hasn't been any projects really. Guess you could say Hawkins, but he has worked out pretty well.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 4:15 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:what system does miles have. I don't think miles knows himself. he recruits drop back passers & duel threats. what is he trying to run?
Recruit the QB that fits the system
Posted on 11/21/14 at 4:50 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
That "root cause" would actually be an effect. The system was different last year because of the knowledge of the recruit. Ergo, the system limitations this year are the effect of the inability at the QB spot.
This shows that both of you are wrong, in fact. It shows that the OP is wrong because they clearly adjust the system to the capability of the QB. It shows that you are wrong by asserting that the system has changed.
RCA is a huge part of my career.
This shows that both of you are wrong, in fact. It shows that the OP is wrong because they clearly adjust the system to the capability of the QB. It shows that you are wrong by asserting that the system has changed.
RCA is a huge part of my career.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 5:07 pm to CharlesLSU
It is not ok to resign to the system Les insists on. Saban was just as hard core in that philosophy, but in the last 5 years he has adapted and it has paid off big time. Les is living in a fantasy land. The 2011 NFL caliber defense locked him into a delusion that his approach is sustainable and relevant in modern SEC championship play. It is not. Find a Flynn or a Periloux-minus-the-crap-issues, or abort the approach. Period.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 5:11 pm to Football_Freak
LOL at all you tards making lists like its just that easy.
this is what it looks like
Keys to LSU winning
1) be badass
2) don't let anybody ever score any points
3) recruit every single 5 * in the country and in canada and australia
4) instill beast mode
5) always play the latest freshman because star ratings say he is better than the senior.
this is what it looks like
Keys to LSU winning
1) be badass
2) don't let anybody ever score any points
3) recruit every single 5 * in the country and in canada and australia
4) instill beast mode
5) always play the latest freshman because star ratings say he is better than the senior.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 5:36 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:first step is get rid of miles & aleva
Two keys in turning LSU into an elite team
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:14 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
One of the fish bones of that RCA would include the QB as a part of the current problem which would be recruiting to needs and historical QB development. Jennings does not have the needed skill set for this scheme or any scheme really, so he is part of the problem, but not nearly the only one. Mett was successful because he had the needed talent and received good initial development at UGA, thankfully not LSU. The problems are multiple and most rest with the coaching staff.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:36 pm to the crue
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what system does miles have. I don't think miles knows himself. he recruits drop back passers & duel threats. what is he trying to run?
you can be a dual threat and take snaps under center.
You can also learn a different system than the one you ran in high school.
People want to put limits on QBs based off of where they take a snap? Like you can't learn that? Most high school QBs have shite footwork anyway, might as well relearn it.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:47 pm to CharlesLSU
#1, Les.
#2, Miles.
I'm doing it right, amirite?
#2, Miles.
I'm doing it right, amirite?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:11 pm to Brosef Stalin17
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quote: Yes Mett had a strong sr. year, but the system was totally different than his jr year.
The system was not different. The playbook was just opened up his senior year, because he had a year in the system to mature and understand it... Jennings doesn't get it yet
Except Mett had TWO years in the system, after he had a full year playing Juco and a full year under Richt. It's a shite system if it requires that long for an nfl talent to execute it. And then in 2013 it still was only middle of the SEC-pack. It was not some historical juggernaut.
It's a shitty system.
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