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re: Top 10 coaches record in their first year
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:00 pm to CalTiger53
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:00 pm to CalTiger53
But Aranda shouldn't be totally in charge. Why is it so hard to understand that a good HC can step in and make adjustments for his coordinators if they are failing miserably? That's why he's the HC, to right the ship.
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:06 pm to CalTiger53
Harbaugh inherited a pretty bad team and did not nor has not yet beaten Ohio State. He was also a proven coach that had won a BCS game and nearly won a Super Bowl.
Swinney and Gundy were unproven commodities that did wind up working out. I see what you're trying to say, but none of the guys mentioned had previous HC experience which indicated they were terrible.
Swinney and Gundy were unproven commodities that did wind up working out. I see what you're trying to say, but none of the guys mentioned had previous HC experience which indicated they were terrible.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:13 pm to CalTiger53
Jim Harbaugh hasn’t beaten Ohio state so you might want to fact check all of that.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:23 pm to Krokodil
Saban was 21-15 in his first years as a HC.
MState 6-5
LSU 8-4
Alabama 7-6
O ain't Saban, but lay the freak off. He's 14-5 since he left Ole Miss. State might just be that good and they just might beat Bama. It's a stretch, but ya never know.
MState 6-5
LSU 8-4
Alabama 7-6
O ain't Saban, but lay the freak off. He's 14-5 since he left Ole Miss. State might just be that good and they just might beat Bama. It's a stretch, but ya never know.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:27 pm to CalTiger53
Harbaugh hasn't beaten Ohio St. Yet.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:30 pm to litenin
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The obvious that I didn't notice in the text is Saban losing to UAB in his 1st year at LSU (although obviously he had been a head coach before his LSU job).
Saban also lost to UL Monroe his first year at Alabama.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:34 pm to CalTiger53
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Yes I believe people who panic are more focused on that number than anything else. They don't even focus on the fact that LSU defense lost that game while Aranda was totally in charge.
Except Aranda proved all year last year that he can make this defense a dominating one.
This was on O. End of discussion. He was recruiting coordinator. Why didn't he recruit more linemen? He has s now the head coach. It is his job to ensure that a proper game plan is put into place to win the game.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:36 pm to CalTiger53
May want to analyze that a bit further.
Dabo Swinney: Clemson was pretty irrelevant even before he he was promoted. Expectations weren't very high
Paul Chryst: Same. Low expectations.
James Franklin: Penn State was dealing with all of the sanctions from the Paterno regime. Can't really compare them.
Clay Helton: USC had been dealing with coaching changes for 4 years. Again, can't really compare.
Mike Gundy: Okie State wasn't all that good when Les was there. They were 7-5 the year before and it was a complete regime change.
Chris Peterson: Considering they went 9-6 the previous year under Sarkisian, 8-6 is not surprising with a complete regime change.
Jim Harbaugh: No shame in losing to Utah, they were pretty legit that year.
To try and compare any of these to the situation with LSU and Coach O is a stretch. He was already a part of the program and was the recruiting coordinator for the current team. He made ONE staff change from the previous year. In fact, according to Alleva, that is the entire reason he got the gig in the first place. To maintain continuity.
I get the point you're trying to make, but it just doesn't compare. The situation at LSU is unique compared to other coaching changes to say the least.
Dabo Swinney: Clemson was pretty irrelevant even before he he was promoted. Expectations weren't very high
Paul Chryst: Same. Low expectations.
James Franklin: Penn State was dealing with all of the sanctions from the Paterno regime. Can't really compare them.
Clay Helton: USC had been dealing with coaching changes for 4 years. Again, can't really compare.
Mike Gundy: Okie State wasn't all that good when Les was there. They were 7-5 the year before and it was a complete regime change.
Chris Peterson: Considering they went 9-6 the previous year under Sarkisian, 8-6 is not surprising with a complete regime change.
Jim Harbaugh: No shame in losing to Utah, they were pretty legit that year.
To try and compare any of these to the situation with LSU and Coach O is a stretch. He was already a part of the program and was the recruiting coordinator for the current team. He made ONE staff change from the previous year. In fact, according to Alleva, that is the entire reason he got the gig in the first place. To maintain continuity.
I get the point you're trying to make, but it just doesn't compare. The situation at LSU is unique compared to other coaching changes to say the least.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:37 pm to tigersbb
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Saban also lost to UL Monroe his first year at Alabama.
Saban also walked into a team fresh off of major sanctions that had maybe 1 5star and very few 4stars.
We have plenty of both.
Not even close to the same comparison.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:39 pm to CalTiger53
This is a helpful perspective - like maybe all hope is not necessarily gone. But...
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:39 pm to CalTiger53
All of these losses, including those at other universities, should be blamed on Joe Alleva and ESPN.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:41 pm to Hoovertigah
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Saban was 21-15 in his first years as a HC.
saban was 6-10 in NFL road games.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:44 pm to memphis tiger
But it's his first for LSU. Give the man a chance.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:45 pm to CalTiger53
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Dabo Swinney lost three of his first five games after having the interim tag pulled off at Clemson, capping off that run with a loss to Maryland. Paul Chryst lost his Big Ten opener to Iowa, a month after getting whollopped by Alabama in the season opener by 18. He won the Big Ten West the next two years. James Franklin won two Big Ten games his first year at Penn State, mainly because he got to play Rutgers and Indiana. He was another coach to lose to Maryland in his first season. Clay Helton got the interim tag lifted at USC in 2016, and promptly lost to Alabama by 46 points. He followed it up with losses in his first two conference games. USC hasn’t lost since. Mike Gundy went 4-7 his first year at Oklahoma St in 2005, and only won one conference game. He lost to Colorado by 34, Texas A&M by 39, and Iowa St by 27. Chris Petersen went 8-6 his first year at Washington despite a preseason top 25 ranking, qualifying for a bowl game only because Washington managed to beat Hawaii by a single point. Jim Harbaugh lost his first game at Michigan 24-17 to Utah. Later that year, he’d guide Michigan to a win over Ohio St and its first 10 win season in five years."
all most all of those dudes took over dumpster fire programs that hadn't won consistently in years. Even the ones who didn't did not start off in as good a shape as O did with LSU. You can make excuses for a loss to Miss. State. It just better not be a 30 point loss.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:53 pm to Goldrush25
Lsu isn't necessarily a bad team this year. We don't know yet.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:59 pm to Hoovertigah
quote:No, he is 3-1.....
He's 14-5 since he left Ole Miss.
Interim is completely different
For example:
You are in the middle of battle, and BOOM! Your field genral gets shot and killed. In the midst of battle, you know you still need to take that hill. So who do I want taking over after the men just saw their leader go down? I want some crazy SOB who is ready to take his shirt off and charge the hill with wreckless abandon. This is Orgeron
Now, once the battle is over and it is time to name a new leader to plan all our future battles and everything else that being a leader entails, I dont want crazy shirtless guy doing that. He is going to frick it up
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:00 pm to The Godfather
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What happened at Ole Miss doesnt matter
Tap the brakes, G - I'm not saying and I don't even think the CheeriOs are saying that.
I'm saying it is irrelevant to what is happening at LSU. The time to consider what happened to Ole Miss under O was when we hired him to be the DL coach, then promoted him to RC, then named interim HC and now the "permanent" (
) head coach. NOTHING that happened at Ole Miss during that time has any bearing on what is happening to LSU now. If he won 80% of his games during that time, that would be irrelevant, too. If it was Jimbo Fisher as the HC right now and we had lost to MSU 37-7 - NOBODY would be giving 2 shits about his championship at FSU, period.
Now, maybe it justifies a shorter leash for O - I can't dispute that - but it is irrelevant. If he wins out, nobody will care, and if he loses out, no one would care about any successes he had in the past.
That's the important thing to remember about O's Ole Miss era.
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