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Top 10 coaches record in their first year
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:14 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:14 am
"Many coaches lose in embarrassing fashion in their first year at a new gig, and it’s no indictment on their abilities:
Dabo Swinney lost three of his first five games after having the interim tag pulled off at Clemson, capping off that run with a loss to Maryland.
Paul Chryst lost his Big Ten opener to Iowa, a month after getting whollopped by Alabama in the season opener by 18. He won the Big Ten West the next two years.
James Franklin won two Big Ten games his first year at Penn State, mainly because he got to play Rutgers and Indiana. He was another coach to lose to Maryland in his first season.
Clay Helton got the interim tag lifted at USC in 2016, and promptly lost to Alabama by 46 points. He followed it up with losses in his first two conference games. USC hasn’t lost since.
Mike Gundy went 4-7 his first year at Oklahoma St in 2005, and only won one conference game. He lost to Colorado by 34, Texas A&M by 39, and Iowa St by 27.
Chris Petersen went 8-6 his first year at Washington despite a preseason top 25 ranking, qualifying for a bowl game only because Washington managed to beat Hawaii by a single point.
Jim Harbaugh lost his first game at Michigan 24-17 to Utah. Later that year, he’d guide Michigan to a win over Ohio St and its first 10 win season in five years."
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Dabo Swinney lost three of his first five games after having the interim tag pulled off at Clemson, capping off that run with a loss to Maryland.
Paul Chryst lost his Big Ten opener to Iowa, a month after getting whollopped by Alabama in the season opener by 18. He won the Big Ten West the next two years.
James Franklin won two Big Ten games his first year at Penn State, mainly because he got to play Rutgers and Indiana. He was another coach to lose to Maryland in his first season.
Clay Helton got the interim tag lifted at USC in 2016, and promptly lost to Alabama by 46 points. He followed it up with losses in his first two conference games. USC hasn’t lost since.
Mike Gundy went 4-7 his first year at Oklahoma St in 2005, and only won one conference game. He lost to Colorado by 34, Texas A&M by 39, and Iowa St by 27.
Chris Petersen went 8-6 his first year at Washington despite a preseason top 25 ranking, qualifying for a bowl game only because Washington managed to beat Hawaii by a single point.
Jim Harbaugh lost his first game at Michigan 24-17 to Utah. Later that year, he’d guide Michigan to a win over Ohio St and its first 10 win season in five years."
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:15 am to CalTiger53
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:20 am to Krokodil
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3-21
Yes I believe people who panic are more focused on that number than anything else. They don't even focus on the fact that LSU defense lost that game while Aranda was totally in charge.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:22 am to CalTiger53
The obvious that I didn't notice in the text is Saban losing to UAB in his 1st year at LSU (although obviously he had been a head coach before his LSU job).
They came back the following week to beat top-10 Tennessee.
At the college level, I think an underrated aspect of being a head coach is helping the psychology of the players during the ups and downs of a season. Saban does this well and hopefully Coach O will also.
They came back the following week to beat top-10 Tennessee.
At the college level, I think an underrated aspect of being a head coach is helping the psychology of the players during the ups and downs of a season. Saban does this well and hopefully Coach O will also.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:23 am to CalTiger53
This isn't O's first year as a HC
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:23 am to CalTiger53
You realize your link goes against your narrative right?
Even this quote said it all:
Even this quote said it all:
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This was a chance to do something bold, and instead we settled. This was a status quo hire right after the administration made a clear signal the status quo wasn’t good enough. If we were going to do this, why didn’t we spare ourselves the headache and just keep Les Miles? What’s the difference? This is an administration without a plan.
I don't want to say that Coach O is a guaranteed failure. It's more that I just don't understand Alleva's thinking at all. You can frame this however you want, and Ponamsky has proved himself to be a master at PR, but this hire is about minor tweaks, not a major blowup. I felt that once you fired Miles, you were on the path of major blowup and it was time to see it through. Alleva clearly felt that it was just time for minor tweaks and a major messaging overhaul. This is a sequel, not a reboot.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:23 am to memphis tiger
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This isn't O's first year as a HC
What happened at Ole Miss doesnt matter, get with the program
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:24 am to CalTiger53
The ability to win is there, as it is branded in everyone’s mindset. However, people will always look back at the negative, and will not accept mediocrity when we have had it for so long. You look at a lot of these coaches and they have already established a winning philosophy with other teams. When the opportunity to establish a dynasty or the chance to get that homerun hire a lot of things happened that got us to where we are now.
I hope we can it around and have success, but I also know it won’t come overnight.
I hope we can it around and have success, but I also know it won’t come overnight.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:24 am to CalTiger53
Tldr
Coach O stepped into a top 10 to 20 time and should be allowed to have a shitty season. Checks out
Coach O stepped into a top 10 to 20 time and should be allowed to have a shitty season. Checks out
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:25 am to CalTiger53
Uhhhhh....
1) None of those coaches took over programs at a level like LSU is coming into this year.
2) Embarrassing losses to Bama that was a playoff team or national champion are a bit different than ones against a mediocre team like MSU.
3) Gundy took over Les' mess at OSU not a team that's ranked top 10 at least once in every one of the past 16 seasons.
4) Harbaugh took over a program in shambles and had proven himself in the NFL before hand.
5) Not a single one of them had the horrid resume/history that O does as an actual head coach.
Nice try though.
1) None of those coaches took over programs at a level like LSU is coming into this year.
2) Embarrassing losses to Bama that was a playoff team or national champion are a bit different than ones against a mediocre team like MSU.
3) Gundy took over Les' mess at OSU not a team that's ranked top 10 at least once in every one of the past 16 seasons.
4) Harbaugh took over a program in shambles and had proven himself in the NFL before hand.
5) Not a single one of them had the horrid resume/history that O does as an actual head coach.
Nice try though.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:26 am to litenin
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The obvious that I didn't notice in the text is Saban losing to UAB in his 1st year at LSU (although obviously he had been a head coach before his LSU job).
Saban took over an LSU team coming off of a 4-7 and 3-8 seasons. Big difference.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:28 am to CalTiger53
Thank You, SANITY, sometimes hard to come by 
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:30 am to CalTiger53
The most common denominator there is that usually coaches are taking over bad teams. LSU was not a bad team last year.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:32 am to CalTiger53
10-25 at ole miss. He has managed to make LSU look like his ole miss teams already.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:35 am to CalTiger53
Swinney may be the closest comparison to Ogeron. But Swinney was a young, never before HC with no real track record to judge him on. No one at Clemson was happy with the hire at the time. It obviously has worked out.
Ogeron on the other hand has past we can look at. He took over at Ole Miss after Cutcliffe's one and only losing season there. The Ole Miss people liked Cutcliffe, but like every other fan base, wanted to take the next step. They hired Ogeron who absolutely bombed the program. He won just as many SEC games in 3 years as Cutcliffe did in his final (losing) season.
Franklin, Peterson, Harbaugh has past success at other schools which you could look at to give you reason to believe things would get better as their time at (PSU, UW, UM) continued. Paul Chryst had success at Wisconsin as their OC. Helton and Gundy had no real track record.
There is NOTHING on O's resume that gives anyone reason to think he will be successful. There is a reason that NO OTHER POWER CONF SCHOOL even really considered him for their HC job after his tenure at Ole Miss. His first SEC game as permanent HC he leads his team to the worst loss against MSU in nearly 120 years. The concerning part is not so much the loss, but the fact that LSU didn't even look like they belonged on the same field as MSU AND the fact that the team flat out quit in the second half.
This week is huge for O because once the players quit on a coach it's over. Ask Johnny Jones, the last guy LSU hired who no one else wanted.
Ogeron on the other hand has past we can look at. He took over at Ole Miss after Cutcliffe's one and only losing season there. The Ole Miss people liked Cutcliffe, but like every other fan base, wanted to take the next step. They hired Ogeron who absolutely bombed the program. He won just as many SEC games in 3 years as Cutcliffe did in his final (losing) season.
Franklin, Peterson, Harbaugh has past success at other schools which you could look at to give you reason to believe things would get better as their time at (PSU, UW, UM) continued. Paul Chryst had success at Wisconsin as their OC. Helton and Gundy had no real track record.
There is NOTHING on O's resume that gives anyone reason to think he will be successful. There is a reason that NO OTHER POWER CONF SCHOOL even really considered him for their HC job after his tenure at Ole Miss. His first SEC game as permanent HC he leads his team to the worst loss against MSU in nearly 120 years. The concerning part is not so much the loss, but the fact that LSU didn't even look like they belonged on the same field as MSU AND the fact that the team flat out quit in the second half.
This week is huge for O because once the players quit on a coach it's over. Ask Johnny Jones, the last guy LSU hired who no one else wanted.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:36 am to CalTiger53
And the lowering of the bar for Coach o continues
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:39 am to CalTiger53
The problem with the OP is that LSU isn't playing in these weak conference. The SEC is far from what it was a few years ago, but it's still the toughest top to bottom and certainly still tougher than those conferences were in those days. The one exception might be Helton and the Pac 14 (or whatever).
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:45 am to airfernando
And Harbaugh has not beaten Ohio State yet. got beat 42-13.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:55 am to CalTiger53
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Jim Harbaugh lost his first game at Michigan 24-17 to Utah. Later that year, he’d guide Michigan to a win over Ohio St and its first 10 win season in five years."
Michigan hasn't beaten Ohio state since 2011. Harbaugh has never beaten Ohio state. I wonder how many of the other stats are wrong.
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