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re: This is basically what I've been saying for around a month.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:49 am to Broski
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:49 am to Broski
quote:let me rephrase since you are intentionally misunderstanding. there is at least one team pretty much every season that can make a case for a national seed that DOESN'T get awarded it. why does that happen?
Uh yes they are... you get it based on your resume
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:50 am to bfniii
quote:
why can they make BETTER claims?
In the case of Florida and TCU, they can't make better claims. Paul Mainieri has more CWS titles than those two schools combined.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:50 am to bfniii
quote:
there is at least one team pretty much every season that can make a case for a national seed that DOESN'T get awarded it. why does that happen?
Ok, was LSU one of those teams in any of those years? If not, then what exactly are you trying to argue?
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:51 am to Broski
quote:i understand you don't like facts but, i listed several questions to ponch. let's see if the two of you can get together and attempt an answer.
someone who lacks history and context
quote:just answer the questions
He'll never concede that he's wrong
quote:you realize i'm just passing along facts right? it's not "my" information.
he constantly looks more and more stupid for the whole world to see.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:52 am to bfniii
quote:
you realize i'm just passing along facts right? it's not "my" information.
You've done no such thing. You've passed along generalities such as "Schloss is the best"
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:52 am to Broski
quote:yet STILL destroys mainieri in cws records. you're just not being objective. i get it though. you're irrationally protecting mainieri
He didn't even make the postseason in 2013
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:55 am to poncho villa
quote:it's not "my" argument and yes, this is how elite teams are measured. basically everybody on this board is telling you that except for you and the 2 or 3 other sycophants
his whole argument is = CWS wins = success
quote:OH MY GOSH THE FREAKING STRAWMAN AGAIN. if you didn't use that strawman, your keyboard would die of loneliness.
but the candidates he listed that had CWS wins never won a fricking championship
quote:i have said multiple times that even if you include '09, that STILL doesn't make mainieri the best. it just moves him up the list some. but keep misrepresenting what i'm saying.
He also conveniently leaves out 2009 because it hurts his argument.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:56 am to bfniii
quote:
yet STILL destroys mainieri in cws records.
Paul Mainieri's CWS record: 8-9 (1 championship)
Jim Schlossnaigle: 8-8 (0 championships)
DESTROYS!
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:59 am to Broski
quote:
The fact that you think that Fresno State was without question the best team in 2008 is laughable.
it's like you don't live in reality. here's another question that will go unanswered - where does the 2008 baseball season national championship trophy live? quote:and herein lies the problem. basically nobody think this. that is why there is a postseason tourney. because teams can cadillac through the regular season. the postseason is where it's real. i have real trouble accepting that you actually believe what you're saying here. that's why there is a postseason. so that the championship is decided ON THE FIELD, not in a boardroom by some suits who are voting on equal but different teams they couldn't possibly have watched.
In a vacuum, it's a more thorough measurement than a double elimination tournament.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:02 am to bfniii
quote:
bfniii
it's like you don't live in reality.
Oh really...!?
quote:
bfnii
yet STILL destroys mainieri in cws records.
quote:
Broski
Paul Mainieri's CWS record: 8-9 (1 championship)
Jim Schlossnaigle: 8-8 (0 championships)
DESTROYS!
Good night.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:02 am to Broski
quote:i'm going to explain the strawman yet again.
In the case of Florida and TCU, they can't make better claims. Paul Mainieri has more CWS titles than those two schools combined
apologists get their panties in a wad because they think critics have unreasonable expectations so, they scold critics for this even though no one ever said that.
then, when comparing coaches, they hypocritically run to the national championship comparison themselves.
florida and tcu wipe the floor with mainieri in terms of cws wins. it's not even close. they significantly overshadow mainieri over 7 freaking seasons. why are you ok with that?
i'm just going to start pasting the same questions over and over until they get answered.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:03 am to bfniii
quote:
florida and tcu wipe the floor with mainieri in terms of cws wins
Paul Mainieri's CWS record: 8-9 (1 championship)
Jim Schlossnaigle: 8-8 (0 championships)
Kevin O'Sullivan: 6-8 (0 championships)
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 1:05 am
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:06 am to Broski
quote:i've already explained it. when a group has to VOTE on national seeds, it proves that the teams do not directly control the outcome. therefore, internet knuckleheads are wrong when they claim that national seeds are "accomplishments." it's just a subjective comparison of the first part of the season. do you honestly think that kansas, unc, ky, louisville are touting their basketball tourney "seedings?" that's what you're saying here.
If not, then what exactly are you trying to argue?
wow
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:07 am to bfniii
quote:
wow
Paul Mainieri's CWS record: 8-9 (1 championship)
Jim Schlossnaigle: 8-8 (0 championships)
Kevin O'Sullivan: 6-8 (0 championships)
Wow is right. Seriously, how many times are you going to make me post this?
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:08 am to Broski
quote:other than cws win/loss records? budgets? how seeding actually works?
You've done no such thing
quote:you realize that his cws record is not a "generality" right? you can reduce it to a discrete number.
You've passed along generalities such as "Schloss is the best"
this is absurd
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:08 am to bfniii
quote:
other than cws win/loss records?
Oh, you mean these that I posted?
Paul Mainieri's CWS record: 8-9 (1 championship)
Jim Schlossnaigle: 8-8 (0 championships)
Kevin O'Sullivan: 6-8 (0 championships)
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:10 am to Broski
quote:you conveniently missed the over the last 7 years part.
Paul Mainieri's CWS record: 8-9 (1 championship)
Jim Schlossnaigle: 8-8 (0 championships)
cue: "you're leaving out mainieri's best season"
response: how long are you going to give mainieri a pass for that nearly 10 year old championship? is that what lsu expectations have been reduced to? WE USED TO BE GOOD AT THE CWS! TAKE THAT TCU!!!!!
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:11 am to Broski
1. should miles have been fired? YES OR NO
2. why don't teams like tcu, florida, vandy, etc, have to resort to the silly "national seed" claim? why can they make BETTER claims?
3. mainieri isn't even top 5 in cws wins over the last 7 seasons. why are you ok with that?
4. who is directly responsible for the health of the program?
5. how can something be an accomplishment when you didn't directly control the outcome?
2. why don't teams like tcu, florida, vandy, etc, have to resort to the silly "national seed" claim? why can they make BETTER claims?
3. mainieri isn't even top 5 in cws wins over the last 7 seasons. why are you ok with that?
4. who is directly responsible for the health of the program?
5. how can something be an accomplishment when you didn't directly control the outcome?
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:12 am to bfniii
you let me know when you and ponch are ready to answer those simple questions
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:12 am to bfniii
quote:
response: how long are you going to give mainieri a pass for that nearly 10 year old championship?
Well, you're giving Schloss a pass for constantly failing in Omaha, so?
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