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The reality of our program is clear (long)
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:43 pm
Firstly, part of me is laughing at everyone who thought we would roll MSU bc they are MSU. Everyone here kept bitching about the experts saying MSU would be legit and a dark horse. They looked very solid last night and we honestly had no business coming that close to a win. Is it truly so impossible for a coach in his 5th yr with a senior QB and great defensive line to beat us just because they always lose to us?
We have to realize that we cannot believe what our coaches tell the media. This is one of our worst O lines, and there is weakness in the middle of our D. Why is everyone so shocked that these problems that were apparent in game one are still ongoing? I had hoped we would shore them up by now as well, but this was the game that tells us what we really have. We are at best an 8-9 win team, but could easily be worse.
I'd like to believe that we could be like other young teams that compete for titles, but this team has crucial deficiencies that will prevent it. One of those is poor game planning and coaching adjustments. I won't go into those details, as everyone knows what I mean with that.
At this point the only thing we should be doing is getting the young guys experience. There is zero doubt we have a nucleus of talent that can compete for titles in the future. We are going to lose games all year, so at least let's lose with young guys getting reps.
Our inability to identify and keep/develop talent on both lines has caught up to us.
Harris can split time w Jennings, but Harris needs to get 80-90% of the snaps moving forward--even if he makes bad decisions and looks lost. Fournette, Williams and Hilliard need to play over Magee who has not looked as good as them. We need to let younger offensive lineman get PT as well, bc we lose a lot on the line next yr.
Welter should only provide rest for beckwith (or anyone else), and Adams on field over Martin.
This season will be a complete waste otherwise.
The sky isn't falling on our program bc we lost to a good team. The sky is falling if the coaches don't realize how poorly they have prepared this team after the way we got dominated.
I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think about accepting this as a rebuilding year. I don't like it one bit myself, but how many losses will you be ok with if the staff drastically changes their approach?
I'm ok w 5 losses if the young guys play. I'm not ok with any more losses if we trot out Jennings and try to run the ball out of 1 WR sets.
We have to realize that we cannot believe what our coaches tell the media. This is one of our worst O lines, and there is weakness in the middle of our D. Why is everyone so shocked that these problems that were apparent in game one are still ongoing? I had hoped we would shore them up by now as well, but this was the game that tells us what we really have. We are at best an 8-9 win team, but could easily be worse.
I'd like to believe that we could be like other young teams that compete for titles, but this team has crucial deficiencies that will prevent it. One of those is poor game planning and coaching adjustments. I won't go into those details, as everyone knows what I mean with that.
At this point the only thing we should be doing is getting the young guys experience. There is zero doubt we have a nucleus of talent that can compete for titles in the future. We are going to lose games all year, so at least let's lose with young guys getting reps.
Our inability to identify and keep/develop talent on both lines has caught up to us.
Harris can split time w Jennings, but Harris needs to get 80-90% of the snaps moving forward--even if he makes bad decisions and looks lost. Fournette, Williams and Hilliard need to play over Magee who has not looked as good as them. We need to let younger offensive lineman get PT as well, bc we lose a lot on the line next yr.
Welter should only provide rest for beckwith (or anyone else), and Adams on field over Martin.
This season will be a complete waste otherwise.
The sky isn't falling on our program bc we lost to a good team. The sky is falling if the coaches don't realize how poorly they have prepared this team after the way we got dominated.
I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think about accepting this as a rebuilding year. I don't like it one bit myself, but how many losses will you be ok with if the staff drastically changes their approach?
I'm ok w 5 losses if the young guys play. I'm not ok with any more losses if we trot out Jennings and try to run the ball out of 1 WR sets.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:46 pm to 0jersey
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I'm ok w 5 losses if the young guys play. I'm not ok with any more losses if we trot out Jennings and try to run the ball out of 1 WR sets.
So you wouldn't be ok with a 2 loss season and a shot at a SEC Championship, but would take a 5 loss season if the younger guys are playing? Makes sense
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:47 pm to Big Moe
You seriously trying to say we only lose two games if Jennings is the starter?
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:48 pm to 0jersey
We lose one game and you want to scrap the season and crucify Jennings?
Smart.
Smart.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 12:51 pm to chilge1
I'm not crucifying Jennings. But reality is that he will not lead this team to a title.
Do you not think Harris has more upside? If they are neck in neck in practice, and one clearly has more upside, AND this season will not contend for a title why are we not letting Harris get more reps?
I'm not saying don't play Jennings at all.
And also, how many games do you honestly see us winning this year regardless of QB?
Do you not think Harris has more upside? If they are neck in neck in practice, and one clearly has more upside, AND this season will not contend for a title why are we not letting Harris get more reps?
I'm not saying don't play Jennings at all.
And also, how many games do you honestly see us winning this year regardless of QB?
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:00 pm to 0jersey
He's 4-1 career against 4 bowl teams. Three of them ranked.
Does Harris have more upside? Sure. Is he the long-term answer? Probably.
Do I trust him as THE guy for 50-60 minute? Not yet.
People are in love with him after some late-game heroics against MSST's 2nd team defense because Jennings wasn't getting it done.
They don't remember the two fumbles he had on the same snap, attempting to hand the ball off to the RB on the wrong side, or the wasted time-outs because he couldn't get the call in from the sideline.
FYI, people were saying the same thing about Blake Sims that you're saying about Jennings now. Then he went out and threw 450 yards yesterday.
The season is too young to "see us winning" any number of games. We don't know who A&M is, we don't know who Auburn is, we don't know who Ole Miss is. We think we know who Bama is. And we think we know who we are.
We'll beat NMST, UF, and UK. I can say that much, after that, hard to say.
Could go 11-1, Could go 6-6, More likely that we do 9-3.
Ask me again in three weeks.
Does Harris have more upside? Sure. Is he the long-term answer? Probably.
Do I trust him as THE guy for 50-60 minute? Not yet.
People are in love with him after some late-game heroics against MSST's 2nd team defense because Jennings wasn't getting it done.
They don't remember the two fumbles he had on the same snap, attempting to hand the ball off to the RB on the wrong side, or the wasted time-outs because he couldn't get the call in from the sideline.
FYI, people were saying the same thing about Blake Sims that you're saying about Jennings now. Then he went out and threw 450 yards yesterday.
The season is too young to "see us winning" any number of games. We don't know who A&M is, we don't know who Auburn is, we don't know who Ole Miss is. We think we know who Bama is. And we think we know who we are.
We'll beat NMST, UF, and UK. I can say that much, after that, hard to say.
Could go 11-1, Could go 6-6, More likely that we do 9-3.
Ask me again in three weeks.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:03 pm to 0jersey
I don't want to see the tigers get dominated like they did last night. Period.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:06 pm to chilge1
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He's 4-1 career against 4 bowl teams
It's a team effort. He looked awful vs Iowa. He was pleasantly surprising vs Wisconsin but still only completed 9 of 21 passes. He looked better vs the rent a wins. He hasn't performed well vs P5 competition. He does throw a great long ball to Dupree. If LSU could wrap their offense around that one play, he'd be an all american.
I think you'll see lots of platooning with these two guys this season, probably as it should be. Not sure either are ready to be "the guy."
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:07 pm to chilge1
Agree with most of OP.
Most reasonable people saw this coming.
Jennings will not lead Lsu to a title... Not this year. Not ever. That is just my opinion.
My vote is still out on Harris.
This season.... I think we will have a win vs some team we have no business beating.... And a loss to some team that we will have no business losing to.
Strap in.... Season gonna be even more frustrating than usual.
Most reasonable people saw this coming.
Jennings will not lead Lsu to a title... Not this year. Not ever. That is just my opinion.
My vote is still out on Harris.
This season.... I think we will have a win vs some team we have no business beating.... And a loss to some team that we will have no business losing to.
Strap in.... Season gonna be even more frustrating than usual.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:07 pm to Futures Bleak
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You seriously trying to say we only lose two games if Jennings is the starter?
No, you obviously didn't read my post. I was calling out the OP for saying he would be ok with 5 losses with the young guys, but one more loss with Jennings is too much
I've wanted Harris since day 1
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:08 pm to chilge1
Harris isn't ready yet, I agree. But he gets ready sooner w reps.
Who's 4-1 against what 4 bowl teams?
I clearly remember his mistakes. All our young guys will make them. The staff needs to let them make them this year. We cannot hide deficiencies that are apparent against the teams we play. Arkansas will be tougher for us than A&M.
Who's 4-1 against what 4 bowl teams?
I clearly remember his mistakes. All our young guys will make them. The staff needs to let them make them this year. We cannot hide deficiencies that are apparent against the teams we play. Arkansas will be tougher for us than A&M.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:10 pm to navy
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This season.... I think we will have a win vs some team we have no business beating....
A team to the east of us shoule be very concerned.
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And a loss to some team that we will have no business losing to.
That happened already.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:12 pm to 0jersey
Your argument is well reasoned. We will not win another SEC game with AJ at QB After a full year as understudy and four games this season he has proven beyond a doubt that he can not make the reads before and after the snap to know which receiver to target, nor can he make any throw except a flat trajectory fastball to the sideline.He also ruins like a girl.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:12 pm to Big Moe
I wasn't saying 5 losses vs 1 due to AJ. I meant doing same strategy of 1WR sets pounding the ball, and AJ getting lions share of reps.
MSU will prove to be good this yr if Prescott stays healthy.
MSU will prove to be good this yr if Prescott stays healthy.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:18 pm to Big Moe
He said "losses", as in more than 1.
You twisted what he said and said this
You twisted what he said and said this
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So you wouldn't be ok with a 2 loss season and a shot at a SEC Championship
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's a team effort. He looked awful vs Iowa. He was pleasantly surprising vs Wisconsin but still only completed 9 of 21 passes. He looked better vs the rent a wins. He hasn't performed well vs P5 competition. He does throw a great long ball to Dupree. If LSU could wrap their offense around that one play, he'd be an all american.
I think you'll see lots of platooning with these two guys this season, probably as it should be. Not sure either are ready to be "the guy."
He looked awful in his first career start with one month of practice reps against the No. 7 pass defense in the country, I'll give you that.
I noticed a few times yesterday that he MAY have a bit of a hero complex... went for the QB dive on 4th & Goal instead of pitching to the RB and forced a throw in the end zone to the TE instead of checking it down to the FB in the flat... something to keep an eye on going forward before calling it an actual problem.
I agree that neither are ready to be "the guy" which bodes well for Harris going forward because he's got the higher ceiling. But I don't care if he can make all the throws if he can't execute the offense.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:19 pm to 0jersey
I agree with this year as a rebuilding year but so is Saban and look at his record thus far.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:22 pm to Futures Bleak
He said losses because "I'm not ok with any more loss" doesn't make sense
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:23 pm to MondayMorningMarch
Looked to me last night like Moo St. is clearly the better team.
In other words, they should have won, which they did.
They spared us by taking their foot off the gas pedal.
In other words, they should have won, which they did.
They spared us by taking their foot off the gas pedal.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 1:26 pm to Nawlinsboyinbossier
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I don't want to see the tigers get dominated like they did last night. Period.
It's going to happen at least 2 more times before the season's over. Our OL and DL aren't going to magically get better overnight.
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