re: The QBs Recruited by Les Miles Improved While at LSU

JJ ended where he started - no development.

Lee improved, basically by cutting out most of the mortal mistakes he was making.

Mett showed real "development." The light went on for him, and he himself credits Cam Cameron. Mett is the one and only poster boy for LSU QB development.

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Serious question. Why the sole focus on passer rating? Passer rating is influenced by the overall quality of the offense - how well the line protects, how good the receivers are, etc.

We've already encountered one "alternative hypothesis" to your claim - that Lee and Jefferson simply showed natural improvement over time.

Now we encounter a second alternative - that LSU's team as a whole improved, and that made Lee and Jefferson look better than they were.

Frankly, passer rating may be a bad indicator of "development."

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Serious answer.

There is not a sole focus on passer rating. I included three different stats. Why are you focused on only one stat?

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If Miles had developed Lee and Jefferson to where they needed to be, they would have be playing in the NFL. That's the best indicator of development, in my opinion. You can make your case all day long, but it just doesn't ring true.

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There were only 11 QBs drafted in 2012. Some were DT, and some were PS. That's not a lot. If you look at the Top 10 lists for the 2008 and 2009 recruiting years, you will see a lot of names that did not make it to the NFL.

Playing in the NFL clearly indicates an excellent QB. However, not playing in the NFL does not mean that a QB wasn't developed.

Lee was signed by the Chargers and the BC Lions. Jefferson was signed by Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Montreal Alouettes, the Pittsburgh Power, and will be playing in the FXFL championship game for the Omaha Mammoths. They might not be NFL caliber, but that doesn't mean that they weren't seriously developed at LSU.

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JJ ended where he started - no development.

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JJ showed tremendous development over the course of his career. People are just overly fixated on his last two games.

JJ's QB Rating went from 121.34 to 158.97. That's over 37 points. That's almost the same as Lee who you admit improved.

JJ's completions went from 46.3% to 66.1%. That's a bigger increase than Lee who you admit improved.

JJ's YPA increased from 6.6 to 8.7. That's also a bigger increase than Lee who you admit improved.

I understand that I am challenging several well-accepted myths with this thread. I understand that it's difficult to accept a change in paradigm. However, the facts are clear.

Jefferson improved as much as or more than Lee.

I'd never heard of the FXFL before today, so I have now learned one thing from this thread.

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Actually looking at it, his soph and senior years were almost identical production wise. (I stand corrected)

comp% 61.5 soph 61.0 sr
yds/a 7.3 soph 7.4 sr
efficiency rating 137.2 soph 138.7 sr

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Factor in the offensive line and running game -- much better in 2011 than in 2009.

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2011 was by far his best year

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JJ showed tremendous development over the course of his career. People are just overly fixated on his last two games.

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And you are overly fixated with the stats. His best year was in 2009. Someone already brought out the stats. He threw way more in 2009 than in 2011, and was arguably just as efficient. Hell, in 2011 he only had 2 games where he had more than 15pass attempts, and only had double digit pass attempts in 5 games for the entire season. And in 2009 we didn't have a great rushing attack or OL. We averaged 122ypg rushing in 2009. In 2011, we averaged 202ypg rushing. So he had much more help in 2011 than he did in 2009. He was pretty much our entire lffense in 2009.

And you keep againg how JJ showed tremendous development and improvement over his career. And that is just wrong. He was just as bad his JR year as he was his freshman year, and his Soph and SR. season were very similar. When someone really improves and develops, they take their game to a new level and CONSISTENTLY play at that level. JJ was not consistent at all over the course of his career for us. He was up and down, up and down, up and down his entire career and when he was up, he was still below average, and when he was down he was horrible. That never changed. His senior year for us, his "ups" we're just as good as they were when he was a sophomore. No consistency and never got better. That shows that he did not improve.

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I would say that they developed as a result of coaching and experience.

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Yeah, you would, but we can't see why.