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Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:49 am to Salviati
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I have no problem with Miles playing Harris. I have no problem with Miles starting Harris
do you have a problem with anything miles does?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:54 am to Salviati
Jefferson's best year was sophomore. He was worse as a junior and senior.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:54 am to keeper05
quote:True. However, that doesn't mean that the number of passes he threw in each year is a small sample.
Lee was a backup that didn't really see the field much in those years, at least while getting meaningful snaps i.e. throwing the ball.
quote:You are way too hung up on the comparison between Jefferson and Lee.
Jefferson's play was declining at the end of that year as well. He was atrocious in his last two games. I believe LSU had like 11 yards at half against GA. A 100 pass sampling would leave him out of any legit year long statistical analysis. Just like in MLB you can't win the batting crown without getting a certain number of ABs
Again, this thread is NOT intended to compare the QBs with each other. It is intended to compare the development of each of the three QBs year over year.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 11:56 am to Salviati
Does our tight ends improve too?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:00 pm to CptBengal
quote:Once again, you have misquoted me.quote:
those stats are irrelevant
TDs and interceptions are not irrelevant stats; however, as I actually stated, those stats are irrelevant when trying to compare year over year improvement given the way that Jefferson and Lee were subbed for each other:
quote:
With the way that Lee and Jeffeson were subbed for each other during games and throughout the years that they played, those stats are irrelevant when trying to compare year over year improvement.
Take "yards per game" for example. In 2009, do we include the Washington, Vanderbilt, ULL, Auburn, and Tulane games for Lee? What about the 2011 Alabama game?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:01 pm to Salviati
quote:
t when trying to compare year over year improvement given the way that Jefferson and Lee were subbed for each other:
No they aren't.
Just because they were subbed doesnt make one stat irrelevant.
how did you come to that conclusion?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:02 pm to The Mick
quote:His best year was his senior year. There's no doubt about that. His sophomore year was his next best year.
Jefferson's best year was sophomore. He was worse as a junior and senior.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:03 pm to Salviati
quote:
It is intended to compare the development of each of the three QBs year over year.
and what is your conclusion based on the stats you provided?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:07 pm to Salviati
Does anybody take the OP seriously?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:10 pm to Salviati
quote:Actually looking at it, his soph and senior years were almost identical production wise. (I stand corrected)
His best year was his senior year. There's no doubt about that. His sophomore year was his next best year.
comp% 61.5 soph 61.0 sr
yds/a 7.3 soph 7.4 sr
efficiency rating 137.2 soph 138.7 sr
his rushing production is definitely better senior year.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:11 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:That the stats for each QB exhibited serious development over the course of his career.
and what is your conclusion based on the stats you provided?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:12 pm to Salviati
quote:
That the stats for each QB exhibited serious development over the course of his career.
due to what?
and really? serious development?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:27 pm to uway
quote:It doesn't bother me in the slightest that CptBengal attacks my posts. It's what he does.
Does anybody take the OP seriously?
It doesn't bother me that posters are hung up on the comparison between Lee and Jefferson. I didn't post the stats to compare Jefferson and Lee, but I understand the fascination.
It doesn't bother me that posters are complaining about the lack of extensive statistical analysis. I don't have the time to do that. (Does anyone?) Moreover, I'm not attempting to compare LSU to Texas A&M, Ole Miss, or the rest of the P5. Even if they showed similar improvement, or if LSU showed improvement compared to the mean or some control group, those posters would then be complaining that I had not shown causation or a lack of confounding factors.
The facts are clearly presented. I didn’t mine them or alter them. I used numbers that are easily understood and accepted, and that can be easily compared year over year even for years when the QBs had varying playing time within each year and within each game.
Any football coach, or any knowledgeable football fan, in the country who looked at the stats provided in the OP would agree that the three QBs showed serious improvement over the course of their careers.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:29 pm to Salviati
quote:
doesn't bother me in the slightest that CptBengal attacks my posts. It's what he does.
The amount of real estate I own in your head is absurd.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:31 pm to Salviati
quote:
Salviati
I think the point you are missing is that QBs typically improve as they get older and more experienced. You can't make the claim that Les Miles is the reason they improved when some amount of natural improvement is expected in any QB in any program.
1) Did Lee and Jefferson show statistically significant improvement from their freshman year to their senior year?
2) Is that improvement more, less, or the same as the average improvement over a similar time span in pre-Les Miles QBs? Other SEC QBs? National QBs?
You have to answer both of these questions before making the claim you are making about Les Miles, and you haven't come close to answering either.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:33 pm to Salviati
quote:
The facts are clearly presented.
Yes. What we are saying is that your interpretation of them is probably wrong.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:38 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:I would say that they developed as a result of coaching and experience.
due to what?
quote:Let's look solely at Lee for a minute.
and really? serious development?
Lee went from a QB rating of 117.69 to 156.62. That's almost 40 points. A QB Rating of 117.69 would rank as the #95 QB right now. A QB Rating of 156.62 would rank as the has #13 QB. LINK I don't know how anyone can say that is not serious development.
Lee went from a Comp% of 52.9% to 65.0%. 52.9% would rank below #100. 65.0% is would rank at #20. LINK Again, that's serious development.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:42 pm to CptBengal
quote:Check a thread I started recently.quote:The amount of real estate I own in your head is absurd.
doesn't bother me in the slightest that CptBengal attacks my posts. It's what he does.
The only real estate you own is all of the posts you feel compelled to make in the threads that I start.
This thread stands as Exhibit A.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:42 pm to uway
quote:
Does anybody take the OP seriously?
No
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