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re: The QB position and Brandon Harris
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:48 pm to chilge1
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:48 pm to chilge1
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Did you watch more or less than 3 Oregon games this year?
It was sarcasm, this is the first year Oregon has had a qb with real talent and that is even debatable. My point is, that simple offense put up more yards this year than we have since Miles got here. So, being an ignorant guy, I would go to a more simple offense in order to get production, rather than waste three years teaching a guy our complex offense in hopes of having a bigtime offense once every four years.
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:53 pm to UpToPar
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If you think LSU ran a full prostyle playbook this year, you are kidding yourself.
Thats play calling to protect a below average qb.
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You lump "prostyle offense" into one whole category, when actuality, there are many different offenses ran in the pros.
No there isnt. Sure there are differences in the formations that certain coaches run, but there isnt this huge variety of offensive schemes in the nfl.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:56 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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So, being an ignorant guy, I would go to a more simple offense in order to get production, rather than waste three years teaching a guy our complex offense in hopes of having a bigtime offense once every four years.
Yes, that is ignorant. You don't even realize that what you're upset about isn't the offensive philosophy, but the gaps in QB succession.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:58 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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The prostyle offense isn't horrible, but you must see that running an offense that is so complex and superior that you've never had a quarterback pick it up within 2 yrs is an absolutely insane approach to offense?
IMO we have got to stop recruiting dual threat qbs and making them do things they've never done in high school.
JJ had a decent 2nd year in 2009.
17tds-7 ints and 61% completion and a 137 qb rating ( which was higher than Flynn's qb rating in 2007).
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You're telling me that our coach has chosen to have a shitty offense bc you've just listed "simple" systems that have brought teams to title games and NC's.
5 national champ teams since 2007 have run a prostyle offense.
Miles didnt choose a shite offense. Our offense is fine when we have a qb that can execute it
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:01 pm to JaxTiger10
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IMO we have got to stop recruiting dual threat qbs and making them do things they've never done in high school.
That'd be great if LA high school coaches could get on board with it instead of putting the best ATH at QB and having him run circles around everyone.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:05 pm to chilge1
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Ours is complex
even if that were true, which I don't believe it is, why don't you see that as being a problem? Why all this complexity with no apparent advantages but plenty of obvious disadvantages to it.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:12 pm to boxcar willie
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Why all this complexity with no apparent advantages but plenty of obvious disadvantages to it.
To be perfectly honest, I've gone back and forth about which offense I'd ideally like to see us run. I think it's a matter of having a consistently very good offense regardless of personnel or having an unstoppable offense with the proper personnel.
At LSU, we shouldn't ever have to worry about a shortage of talent, so I tend to favor the offense with the higher ceiling... It's also a feather in the cap that the system we run is better at preparing our guys for the next level.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:19 pm to chilge1
I really don't see where our offense has a higher ceiling than Urban Meyers Ohio State offense or that it prepares players for todays NFL any better
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:40 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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My point is, that simple offense put up more yards this year than we have since Miles got here.
Total yards is skewed by how many plays you run. For example, in 2013 lsu was 12th in the entire country in yards per play, BUT we were 105th in plays ran which makes our totals low.
Yards per play and points per play are a far better measurement of an offense's success, than total yards.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:41 pm to chilge1
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That'd be great if LA high school coaches could get on board with it instead of putting the best ATH at QB and having him run circles around everyone.
Right but it will never happen.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:42 pm to JaxTiger10
I'm sold. Miles is on the right track. Our offense will be just awesome..
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:55 pm to JaxTiger10
quote:JJ wasn't really DT in HS, but the staff attempted to morph him into one after 2009, and 2010 seemed to show the struggle of square-peg-round-hole syndrome.
IMO we have got to stop recruiting dual threat qbs and making them do things they've never done in high school.
JJ had a decent 2nd year in 2009.
He looked to be more at ease with the DT role in 2011, but sort of lost a year in the development.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:38 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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I'm sold. Miles is on the right track. Our offense will be just awesome.
Our offenses under Miles have been good. 2006,2007,2008 ( outside of JLee's pick 6's, our offense was good. We were 22nd, in the entire country, in offensive points per game),2009 our offense was 16th, in the entire country, in offensive points per game, 2011 offense was great, and 2013 our offense was great.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:41 pm to Mayhawman
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JJ wasn't really DT in HS,
Right but the statement i was replying to said no qb under Miles has been able to grasp the scheme until after his 2nd year at lsu.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:22 pm to chilge1
He didn't start playing football until HS.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:25 pm to JaxTiger10
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Our offenses under Miles have been good. 2006,2007,2008 ( outside of JLee's pick 6's, our offense was good. We were 22nd, in the entire country, in offensive points per game),2009 our offense was 16th, in the entire country, in offensive points per game, 2011 offense was great, and 2013 our offense was great.
Until this year, the 02 and 04 offenses were the worst in the saban/miles era.
Yet somehow fisher is some genius and took until his 7th season at FSU to produce an offense that didn't struggle at times.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:28 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
We do run a pro style offense. Do some reading of the air coryell offense. Very similar to what we run.
The first route for the qb progession is the deepest route, hence Jennings locked into dural and not progressing to the shorter routes where the tes were wide open all freaking season.
The first route for the qb progession is the deepest route, hence Jennings locked into dural and not progressing to the shorter routes where the tes were wide open all freaking season.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:28 pm to dgnx6
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Yet somehow fisher is some genius and took until his 7th season at FSU to produce an offense that didn't struggle at times.
Yeah its amazing how some posters refuse to give Miles credit for our offenses in 2006&2007 but they blame him when our offense isnt great. There are posters on this site that think Mett was developed by Richt .Mett spent a total of 6 months on UGA's campus.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:46 pm to JaxTiger10
no one can deny the incredible transformation Mett made from the 2012 to the 2013 season. No one should expect that kind of transformation in one season for Harris and Jennings, but with improvements to the offense and normal development from Harris and Jennings, we should see a big improvement in QB play next season.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:06 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:STFU you senile prick
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Even if he has 3 months of experience, he deserves another shot.
you mean you think he deserves another shot in games where we, the fans, can decide if he's good enough.
you probably don't realize that he gets his shot in practice and that the coaches know where he is in his development, both skill wise and leadership wise.
if you had played football at a higher level you would know this.
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