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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:44 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:44 pm to MightyYat
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No, dip shite. You always have to have a winning coach inked for at least 4-5 years so that he can fight the recruiting battle with all of his bullets. Orgeron deserves the extension at this point. He was in a NY6 bowl and finished in the top 10. His roster is loaded next year. His 2019 class is going to finish in the top 3-5. His 2020 class is already sitting at #2 with 11 commits and some really big fish keeping an eye on the program. This is merely part of playing the game these days.
You are an idiot if you believe this fallacy. This is a made up narrative for agents and their clients to have leverage.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 1:46 pm
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:48 pm to MOT
1 LSU finished 6th in the AP poll.
2 And, LSU will likely finish in the top-5 in '19 recruiting.
3 And, more than half of Power-5 programs pay their HC's more than 3.5 mil.
4 And that Power-5 programs have a yearly turnover rate of about 17%*. [do the math - about half the Power-5 programs will be searching for new HC's in the next 3 years]
I admittedly have no idea how your mind processes facts. But in my mind, it is more than likely that Coach O will be approached by a number of Power-5 schools in the next several years. And that they will have the budget to beat LSU's current HC salary.
You don't agree? Whatever. You're entitled to your opinion.
2 And, LSU will likely finish in the top-5 in '19 recruiting.
3 And, more than half of Power-5 programs pay their HC's more than 3.5 mil.
4 And that Power-5 programs have a yearly turnover rate of about 17%*. [do the math - about half the Power-5 programs will be searching for new HC's in the next 3 years]
I admittedly have no idea how your mind processes facts. But in my mind, it is more than likely that Coach O will be approached by a number of Power-5 schools in the next several years. And that they will have the budget to beat LSU's current HC salary.
You don't agree? Whatever. You're entitled to your opinion.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:56 pm to LSUgrad1998
Who ya going to get?? name a good replacement
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:05 pm to namvet6566
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Who ya going to get?? name a good replacement
Really good question.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:16 pm to LSUgrad1998
The real key to the program's success is Aranda. Why on Earth would LSU want to extend O if Aranda might not be around?
Now is the perfect opportunity to discuss succession planning. If that is part of O's extension - when the keys are handed off to Aranda, I'm ok.
I'd like to hear what Aranda wants before we try to extend O who is going absolutely no where else.
Now is the perfect opportunity to discuss succession planning. If that is part of O's extension - when the keys are handed off to Aranda, I'm ok.
I'd like to hear what Aranda wants before we try to extend O who is going absolutely no where else.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:16 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
"Who ya going to get?? name a good replacement"
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:19 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Well look at West Virginia’s hiring of Troy coach Neal Brown this month. They hit a home run.
The tired argument that nobody good is out there and available needs to die. It’s hogwash.
The tired argument that nobody good is out there and available needs to die. It’s hogwash.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:19 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I have an answer queued up for you but I feel posting it would likely get me banned so I'll just keep it to myself.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:20 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Orgeron can make more money with less bullshite at a dozen other programs.
So what you're telling me is that O went to cut his teeth at a P5 institution by duping some fans and the AD, to "make it big" with a promotion to a smaller, less successful school because of "bullshite."
Checks out.
That screams Louisiana to me, wow.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:20 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Who ya going to get?? name a good replacement
I just said it - Aranda.
O would not have succeeded without him. Aranda has stated in the last few months he wants to be a Head Coach one day. LSU would be foolish to simply extend O without factoring in Aranda's future.
Unless O's extension sets forth a succession plan for when Aranda becomes Head Coach, LSU should pass.
BTW - there's nothing stopping anyone from arguing that Saban will be retiring within the next 3 to 5 years simply because of his age.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:23 pm to Freauxzen
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So what you're telling me is that O went to cut his teeth at a P5 institution by duping some fans and the AD, to "make it big" with a promotion to a smaller, less successful school because of "bull shite."
Sorry. I don't recognize my point in that convoluted mess you wrote.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:30 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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1 LSU finished 6th in the AP poll.
2 And, LSU will likely finish in the top-5 in '19 recruiting.
3 And, more than half of Power-5 programs pay their HC's more than 3.5 mil.
4 And that Power-5 programs have a yearly turnover rate of about 17%*. [do the math - about half the Power-5 programs will be searching for new HC's in the next 3 years]
Hiring O was specifically hiring against the grain we were doing things that weren't traditionally done - keeping a staff intact, hiring a low cost option, hiring a coach that would not control one side of the ball and spending MORE money on assistant coaches - and building a program that way.,
What happened to that vision? We did not hire a strategic, vision lead, head coach, we bet on the figurehead, recruiting master that wouldn't cost that much. Why are we looking to change that? And what proof is there that O can be that other type of coach that he deserves the money?
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:35 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Sorry. I don't recognize my point in that convoluted mess you wrote.
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It is also the fact that Coach O had one of the best 2018 performances of any HC who may be available to other Power-5 programs. Outside of the Louisiana area, no one is real sure what a Cajun is, and "Shrimp Boat Captain" sounds like a cool title - we all love shrimp.
Orgeron can make more money with less bullshite at a dozen other programs. Alleva is smart to give him a raise and an extension.
Your argument is that another, probably less successful if it isn't OSU, Bama, Clemson, etc. - P5 school could hire O away from us. Right? That's why he deserves a raise and extension.
Well, that means that O went to a successful, intense football school - by duping an AD - to get a "promotion" to a less successful program RATHER THAN the typical, traditional way which is to go to a non-P5 or unsuccessful P5 school first before being promoted to elite institution because you've proven yourself worthy.
Everyone is arguing "that's what everyone else does," when O as a coach, his hiring process, and his history, is non-traditional.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:40 pm to M0NTESAN0
When did we start rewarding for 3 and 4 loss seasons.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:40 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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But in my mind, it is more than likely that Coach O will be approached by a number of Power-5 schools in the next several years.
I think Everyone’s point is that this is about a year too early.
We can always match an offer if we want, but no ones beating down the door to take him.
He has 3 years on his contract. If next year goes well we easily extend him then.
As good as this year has been, last year was a mess, and we still didn’t improve from 10-3
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:45 pm to Freauxzen
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Everyone is arguing "that's what everyone else does," when O as a coach, his hiring process, and his history, is non-traditional.
I'm not arguing that. I don't care how or why a HC gets in the door.
IMO, it's only about wins and losses. 10-3 is the best season LSU has had in the last 5 years. Will O be re-evaluated at the end of '19? Of course. But, right now, O is in the Cat Bird seat. Tough shite if you don't like it.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:45 pm to namvet6566
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Who ya going to get?? name a good replacement
1. Dave Aranda 2. Brent Venables 3. Hugh Freeze Shall I keep going? I didn't say not extend Orgeron, just do it after next season when he has 1 year left on his current deal. No need to rush it.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:50 pm to LSUgrad1998
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1. Dave Aranda
So all this NegaTiger stuff is a social media blitz to get Orgeron fired, and Aranda hired?
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:50 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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IMO, it's only about wins and losses. 10-3 is the best season LSU has had in the last 5 years. Will O be re-evaluated at the end of '19? Of course. But, right now, O is in the Cat Bird seat. Tough shite if you don't like it.
If this model is "successful," and that remains to be seen honestly, why not instead of a traditional raise (where the head coach does have significant influence on one side of the ball), why don't we take that cash for O's raise and instead invest it in fixing the side of the ball that under performed - the Offense. That was the sell of hiring O, having MORE money to spend on coordinators, not paying O more money for less responsibility...? Why is that suddenly not the model?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:50 pm to bencoleman
that seems silly.
We are all here to root for LSU. I don't think there is anyone here who puts any coach or player on a pedestal.
seems to me like someone can root for LSU, root for the coach to succeed, while also thinking that from a business standpoint it makes no sense to extend a coach 2 years into a 5 year contract, no?
We are all here to root for LSU. I don't think there is anyone here who puts any coach or player on a pedestal.
seems to me like someone can root for LSU, root for the coach to succeed, while also thinking that from a business standpoint it makes no sense to extend a coach 2 years into a 5 year contract, no?
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