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Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:41 pm to lsufball19
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I literally just provided you with 5 examples just in the SEC the last 4-5 years. Yes, it has become standard practice
what you literally did is show me five schools that made decisions that have no bearing on LSU. there is no "industry standard" here. there is no protocol. each of those situations is unique to the school and the coach and the resources available.
year in year out people joke about Kirk Ferentz's job security. Iowa has probably given Ferentz 5 different extensions over the last 15 years. does that mean that Iowa was ahead of the curve as far as setting this protocol in FBS?
if we were concerned with following "industry standard" or "protocol" LSU would have not hired a guy who was on the coaching staff of the man they fired if they wanted a "fresh start".
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:43 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Now we’re getting somewhere. Take it a step further. Now tell me how many of those fit the rest of the criteria.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 12:46 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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what you literally did is show me five schools that made decisions that have no bearing on LSU. there is no "industry standard" here.
What i did was show five other SEC schools that conducted business the same way, i.e. gave a coach an extension with years remaining on their contract that bit them in the arse. SO when it comes to saying whether it's "industry practice" that's absolutely relevant.
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does that mean that Iowa was ahead of the curve as far as setting this protocol in FBS?
No, it means Iowa plays the same game as everyone else. They are more scared of a coaching search than making their coach earn his salary.
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if we were concerned with following "industry standard" or "protocol" LSU would have not hired a guy who was on the coaching staff of the man they fired if they wanted a "fresh start".
Industry practice is they are scared of a coaching search and they will pay what they need to pay to avoid one. They knew Ed Orgeron would take the job, so they gave him a low HC salary and a big payroll for his assistants to avoid searching for someone else when Herman stalled.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:01 pm to MOT
quote:I've made my point according to MY criteria. If you want to parse this out ad nauseam, according to YOUR criteria, then knock yourself out. LOL
Now we’re getting somewhere. Take it a step further. Now tell me how many of those fit the rest of the criteria.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:02 pm to rattlebucket
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Uh sure do. Why do you care about the AP poll? Its worthless. Do you want to be in top four of CFP final poll or parade around like UCF?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
So you have nothing to back up your claim.
I’ll just claim that no one else would be willing to pay Orgeron more than he’s currently making while not giving him any shite.
I’ll just claim that no one else would be willing to pay Orgeron more than he’s currently making while not giving him any shite.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:03 pm to LSUgrad1998
Because Joe Alleva
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:05 pm to lsufball19
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What i did was show five other SEC schools that conducted business the same way, i.e. gave a coach an extension with years remaining on their contract that bit them in the arse. SO when it comes to saying whether it's "industry practice" that's absolutely relevant.
no, its not absolutely relevant.
The SEC has become nothing more than Nick Saban and a bunch of people playing catch up. whether its the "lets hire a saban assistant" route (UGA, UT, aTm, USCe), or the "lets just not spend a ton of money because we want to wait til saban retires" (Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vandy, LSU) route. Saban killed the SEC.
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They knew Ed Orgeron would take the job, so they gave him a low HC salary and a big payroll for his assistants to avoid searching for someone else when Herman stalled.
so what does that have to do with extending him 2 years into the 5 year deal that you just mentioned? you are making absolutely no sense here.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:06 pm to MOT
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MOT
I like the cut of your jib.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:07 pm to LSUgrad1998
I’m very interested in the buyout.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:12 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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what is a "No-O"?
You can not possibly be this stupid.
Oops my apology. This is the Rant. I stand corrected. Carry on.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:20 pm to Gray Tiger
Personal attack notwithstanding, I don't believe you actually answered the question I posited to you.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:21 pm to dstone12
I for one would like to see all of the details, as I am curious why they would choose to break this news on a Wednesday night while the basketball team is playing on ESPN2.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:23 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
NoO, neverO, nega, negatiger,etc.
There are several more descriptive and appropriate names that they can be called but I'm trying to hold my personal attacks down to only when necessary.
There are several more descriptive and appropriate names that they can be called but I'm trying to hold my personal attacks down to only when necessary.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:28 pm to MOT
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So you have nothing to back up your claim.
Well, yeah, nothing except facts. Like LSU finished 6th in the AP poll. And, LSU will likely finish in the top-5 in '19 recruiting. And, more than half of Power-5 programs pay their HC's more than 3.5 mil. And that Power-5 programs have a yearly turnover rate of about 17%*. [do the math - about half the Power-5 programs will be searching for new HC's in the next 3 years]
So other than FACTS, I have nothing to back up my point.
* LINK
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:35 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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So other than FACTS, I have nothing to back up my point.
Those facts don’t back your point any more than me saying the sky is blue backs mine.
The sky is blue, therefore no other program would be willing to pay Ed Orgeron more than $3.5MM while not giving him bullshite.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:37 pm to bsmi154
They can do that, but if we start next season 10-0 you think Saban can convince a kid O is going anywhere?
Also if we go 2-10 next season you think any extension is gonna keep Saban from saying O is toast?
We have time. The “his contract hurt recruiting” argument is BS.
Also if we go 2-10 next season you think any extension is gonna keep Saban from saying O is toast?
We have time. The “his contract hurt recruiting” argument is BS.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:37 pm to MOT
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He has to be able to recruit freshmen and sophomores and if the decision on whether to extend or not was delayed 10 months, until the end of the 2019 season, there would not be enough time for him to make up the ground he lost on those players.
Well shite let’s extend him out 15 years, can’t miss those vital pre school recruiting visits!
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:40 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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no, its not absolutely relevant.
Yes, it is. When we're talking about industry practice, introducing facts about how others have conducted business is 100% relevant.
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The SEC has become nothing more than Nick Saban and a bunch of people playing catch up. whether its the "lets hire a saban assistant" route (UGA, UT, aTm, USCe), or the "lets just not spend a ton of money because we want to wait til saban retires" (Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vandy, LSU) route. Saban killed the SEC.
I don't disagree with any of this, but that doesn't exactly refute my point either. One of the root causes may be Saban, but the end result is still the same.
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so what does that have to do with extending him 2 years into the 5 year deal that you just mentioned?
To avoid a coaching search. I know people like to assume there is no way Orgeron would ever leave with or without an extension and that no one else would hire him, but Alleva, like other ADs, is scared to take that risk. I mentioned Muschamp earlier. He was just extended 2 years through 2024. He was already signed through 2022. He was also given a raise and was already making $4.2MM/year. And this is after a 7-6 season and 22-17 over three years, following two straight losing years at Florida. Are there other schools looking to hire him right now? Are there other schools willing to pay him what USC is? Is he doing as well as Spurrier did before him? The answer to all those questions is no. Which goes back to my point that it has, in fact, become industry practice. I don't like it, but it is.
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