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The Nebraska, Texas, etc. false narrative
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:02 am
Let's assume we get Jimbo. What evidence is there to suggest that we pull a Nebraska, Miami, Texas, etc?
Jimbo would be in the same scenario when he took over after Bowden. Taking over a perennial powerhouse in a talent rich environment.
He immediately improved that program, and it didn't take him long to win a Natty.
Why on Earth would people be scared to make this switch? The other programs used as examples above hired unproven college coaches. Jimbo is proven. At worst it's a lateral move.
Jimbo would be in the same scenario when he took over after Bowden. Taking over a perennial powerhouse in a talent rich environment.
He immediately improved that program, and it didn't take him long to win a Natty.
Why on Earth would people be scared to make this switch? The other programs used as examples above hired unproven college coaches. Jimbo is proven. At worst it's a lateral move.
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:04 am to rintintin
SEC West >>>>>>> ACC
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:05 am to rintintin
Yup
He would also be in a similar position as when Miles took over.
I think LSU was a 3 loss team at that time? Could be wrong.. but it was still a talented team.. just like now..
We are established and we don't have any big school in state.. LSU should continue to have success in recruiting.. which is most important.
He would also be in a similar position as when Miles took over.
I think LSU was a 3 loss team at that time? Could be wrong.. but it was still a talented team.. just like now..
We are established and we don't have any big school in state.. LSU should continue to have success in recruiting.. which is most important.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:05 am to rintintin
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Let's assume we get Jimbo
You can't assume this.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:05 am to rintintin
Bottom line is, there is very little chance that Fisher does worse than where Miles is now and where he is trending us. Would be a very low risk high reward hire.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:07 am to YouAre8Up
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SEC West >>>>>>> ACC
The SEC is down.. it has been down. I believe the ACC has had better success vs the SEC h2h lately.
Any ways, that is not the point.
The point is, there is no reason any adequate coach can't come in and do a decent job here.. Miles came into a great situation here and even he had success. Miles isn't exact the best of coaches.. and he was able to maintain the best he could..
We are blessed with so much talent.. look at the number of guys that go to the NFL.. we lead.. we win on talent alone at times..
Just imagine a coach who is actually willing to make adjustments and actually develops a quarterback in this program the amount of success..
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:08 am to rintintin
I agree. Both of those narratives do not apply IF a good hire is made. There is no science to a good hire, it's an educated guess, and it takes a bit of magic.Things need to fit. In the case of LSU, Saban is 64, and he won't be the beast in the division forever.Assuming you hire a coach for 5-7 years on average, the entire league is likely to change over that time.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:13 am to rintintin
Who's assuming that LSU pulls a Nebraska, Miami, Texas if they hire Fisher as the next coach? He's proven himself as a good recruiter and coach on a National level. The three you listed hired new coaches (except for strong) who hadn't done shite at any level.
The worry is that you don't get Fisher and you're stuck with a guy who you can't unequivocally say is as good or better than Miles.
The worry is that you don't get Fisher and you're stuck with a guy who you can't unequivocally say is as good or better than Miles.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:13 am to Lsupimp
y'all are missing the point of the narrative.
people aren't assuming that our first choice will suck.
what happened at those schools was that they didn't get their first choice. and shortly after they realized that people weren't just lining up to go work at a school where 9-3 gets you fired.
so both schools had to settle for a candidate well below what they thought/hoped they would get.
that's the fear LSU fans have if we don't get Jimbo.
people fear that Alleva' plan B is "oh shite!"
people aren't assuming that our first choice will suck.
what happened at those schools was that they didn't get their first choice. and shortly after they realized that people weren't just lining up to go work at a school where 9-3 gets you fired.
so both schools had to settle for a candidate well below what they thought/hoped they would get.
that's the fear LSU fans have if we don't get Jimbo.
people fear that Alleva' plan B is "oh shite!"
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:16 am to rintintin
You narrative assumes Jimbo gets the job. Texas thought they would get Saban too.
If it's a falsenarrative how come it keeps coming true?
If it's a falsenarrative how come it keeps coming true?
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:17 am to Rand AlThor
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You can't assume this.
This thread assumes it. I retract my statement is a shitty hire is made.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:24 am to Rand AlThor
quote:
You can't assume this.
if there's nothing but assumption you can.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:32 am to Alt26
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The worry is that you don't get Fisher and you're stuck with a guy who you can't unequivocally say is as good or better than Miles.
I'm not hearing that argument. All I'm hearing is "What about Nebraska! Look at Texas!"
I think everyone agrees that if we make a shitty hire then we'll have shitty results.
People seem to just be scared of change though.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:35 am to rintintin
LSU is in a much better position, I believe. Nebraska should have never pulled from the Big XII. They lost 2 or more games a year in TX and the recruiting has suffered. Like many of the great plains and midwest states, Nebraska is losing population in the young-middle age family demographic and there are fewer high school aged kids. U Texas is an anomaly. They hired a hard a$$ old school coach who is having a difficult time with today's generation and the players left behind by Mack Brown. Also, his style of offense, compared to other XII schools, does not emphasize the QB, and he is having a difficult time signing a top flight QB.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:38 am to rintintin
You are assuming we get Fisher. That is the big risk. If we miss on Fisher we will be Texas, Nebraska, Tennessee, etc.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:39 am to rintintin
The Texas, Tennessee, and Nebraska examples all resulted from them not pulling the guy they thought they could have. That is the narrative champ.
If we get the guy we after than it isn't as risky.
If we get the guy we after than it isn't as risky.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:40 am to rintintin
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Let's assume we get Jimbo. What evidence is there to suggest that we pull a Nebraska, Miami, Texas, etc?
There is no evidence.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:40 am to rintintin
It's not a "false narrative". It's an actual example and it is possible, not probable but possible.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:42 am to rintintin
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not hearing that argument. All I'm hearing is "What about Nebraska! Look at Texas!"
they're saying that because both schools were absolutely sure they could hire any coach on the planet and suitors would be beating down their doors to come on board.
they even said some of the same shite being said here.
then reality set in and now many top level coaches wanted to work at a place where simply winning wasn't good enough. it was the "HOW they win/lose" part of the firing that made the jobs unattractive. and because of that, those schools had to settle for coaches below what they actually wanted and their teams suffered because of it.
that is what this fan base needs to realize is a very distinct possibility.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:57 am to onestonedpony
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LSU is in a much better position, I believe. Nebraska should have never pulled from the Big XII.
we're talking about when they fired Solich.
Nebraska was 6 years removed from one of the most dominant dynasties of all time and were still averaging 10 wins a year.
they fired Solich because of "how they won and lost".
sound familiar?
then they didn't get the guys they wanted. and in a knee jerk reaction, they hired a guy with a "dynamic offense" instead of the "predictable Stone Age offense" that Solich was running.
that hire was a disaster.
and since then they still haven't won at the level Solich was winning.
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