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re: The Nebraska, Texas, etc. false narrative
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:58 am to rintintin
Posted on 11/25/15 at 9:58 am to rintintin
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The Nebraska, Texas, etc. false narrative
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Let's assume we get Jimbo. What evidence is there to suggest that we pull a Nebraska, Miami, Texas, etc?
talk about false narrative
all those scenarios the schools didn't get their top choice and had to settle
I think that is what concerns most, what if we don't get Jimbo? Its a basically a toss up after that
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:01 am to rintintin
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Let's assume we get Jimbo
you really base your premise on this assumption?
what happens if we DON'T get Jimbo and have to settle for some mediocre guy.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:08 am to rintintin
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Let's assume we get Jimbo
Where do you people get this idea that Fisher even wants to leave FSU...has he said it? The fact that he remembers his time fondly in BR does not mean he longs and pines for the place.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:23 am to Alt26
We are almost exactly in a Nebraska situation. They fired Solich after a 9 win season. He was 58-19 (.753). Then they hired Callahan. By the end of the Callahan years, Nebraska was fighting to make a bowl game.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:25 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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He would also be in a similar position as when Miles took over.
I think LSU was a 3 loss team at that time? Could be wrong.. but it was still a talented team.. just like now..
Ummm.. No.
LSU in 2004 lost 2 games in the regular season. Yes one was a blowout, but the other was a 1 point loss based on a new xp rule on the road after a missed XP. It wasn't 3 losses in embarrassing fashion.
LSU was strong in 2/3 phases in 2004, while in 2015 they are awful in 2 and on offense have gotten worse.
LSU played multiple QBs in 2004 showing their potential and what LSU had depthwise for the future (Flynn and Russell), while this year Harris has done everything.
That year LSU finished 6-2 in the SEC, closed out the season 6-0 to finish the regular season with 2 early season losses. 2015 is now 0-3 and best 1-3 in their last 4 games of the regular season.
DL/LBer/DB all had great talent and depth going in 2005, you can't say the same for 2015.
So no, they aren't even close to the same situations.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:29 am to LSU GrandDad
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you really base your premise on this assumption?
Everything right now is an assumption.
The "look at Nebraska" crowd is assuming we get a shite coach.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:34 am to Lsupimp
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I agree. Both of those narratives do not apply IF a good hire is made. There is no science to a good hire, it's an educated guess, and it takes a bit of magic.Things need to fit. In the case of LSU, Saban is 64, and he won't be the beast in the division forever.Assuming you hire a coach for 5-7 years on average, the entire league is likely to change over that time.
People forget who those schools hired:
Nebraska fired Solich and hired an NFL headcoach with absolutely no experience running a college team much less an FBS level coordinator in experience.
UTexas waited too long and let politics get in the way. Strong is not the man for the job, but that's not a knock on his ability to be a great HC. The situation was horrible.
Tennessee fired Fulmer only to hire Lane Kiffin who was a disaster as a HC and fired in one year at Oakland. He was a glitz hire with no substance seeing as he hadn't even run an offense on his own at USC before. It was a stupid hire and desperation. He then bolted on them after one year.
That is the problem people don't understand. Just like people think we are going back to the 90's because of what happened back then. Hell go back to 80 and see. It was unprecedented what LSU dealt with Bo Rein dying on a recruiting trip, shuffling for Stovall, Arnsparger back stabbing LSU, then Dean refusing to pay assistant coaches top dollar which is what killed DiNardo.
LSU isn't in that position anymore.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:39 am to rintintin
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Everything right now is an assumption.
The "look at Nebraska" crowd is assuming we get a shite coach.
And there in lies the problem. LSU isn't going to hire a guy like Kiffen if they miss out on their top choice. They aren't going to hire a guy like Michigan did with Rich Rod that completely didn't fit their talent. They aren't going to hire a guy like Callahan that never had head coaching experience in college and ran a super complex pro system.
Just because other schools made stupid hires, doesn't mean LSU's will be stupid.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:56 am to rintintin
How long did it take for him to win a Natty?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:08 am to jumpup123
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How long did it take for him to win a Natty?
4 years from a 7 win team.
What's your point?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:15 am to Geauxgurt
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Just because other schools made stupid hires, doesn't mean LSU's will be stupid.
What makes you think we'll make a good hire. We hired Steele last year knowing he's failed as a D Coordinator.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:01 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
That's right. Solich was 58-19. BTW - Les is 110-32, which is an even better winning percentage in a much tougher conference and playing one of the most challenging OOC schedules during his tenure.
So then, Nebraska screwed up with Callahan, then they hire Bo Pelini whom they fire after going 67-27. Pelini had been to like 4 or 5 conference title games at Nebraska. He had two heartbreaking losses while in the Big 12 in title games to Texas and OU. So, they fired him. Couldn't get it done.
Now, they've got Oregon State's head coach.
So then, Nebraska screwed up with Callahan, then they hire Bo Pelini whom they fire after going 67-27. Pelini had been to like 4 or 5 conference title games at Nebraska. He had two heartbreaking losses while in the Big 12 in title games to Texas and OU. So, they fired him. Couldn't get it done.
Now, they've got Oregon State's head coach.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:06 pm to rintintin
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He immediately improved that program, and it didn't take him long to win a Natty.
He nearly got sacked, you moron.
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