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re: The Fundamental Flaw with Miles's Offensive Philosophy
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:00 pm to bradybones24
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:00 pm to bradybones24
quote:
except for that SEC record LSU broke just last year. nice memory you got there.
you've been embarrassing the hell out of yourself the last couple of days. maybe its time you took a break
Not embarrassed bud....sorry to disappoint.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:01 pm to Choctaw
quote:
we're not talking about bowl games...pay attention
I know I know...but still....10-3...that offense? something doesn't compute.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:05 pm to bradybones24
quote:wat
.Yeah you're right I forgot Mett was developed by this staff...thank god he got 2 months with Richt and 1 year with whoever else in JUCO. And don't even say Cam was responsible cause the best game of his life was bama with Stud as O.C.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:07 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
.Yeah you're right I forgot Mett was developed by this staff...thank god he got 2 months with Richt and 1 year with whoever else in JUCO. And don't even say Cam was responsible cause the best game of his life was bama with Stud as O.C.
Huh...Mett owes a lot to Cam...who are you kidding.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:07 pm to AlxTgr
He had the entire spring with georgia....then another whole year with another coach. Probably learned more about playing quaterback in one spring with Richt than he did three years with Les.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:09 pm to bradybones24
Plus Mett is an NFL guy. Even Miles had a hard time screwing that up.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:11 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:
Huh...Mett owes a lot to Cam...who are you kidding.
Absolutely Cam was instrumental in Mett's progression...my point is that Mett almost single handedly beat Bama before Cam was ever on the scene so it's not like he was trying to turn water into wine here.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:11 pm to bradybones24
quote:
He had the entire spring with georgia....then another whole year with another coach. Probably learned more about playing quaterback in one spring with Richt than he did three years with Les.
I thought you were being sarcastic about Richt developing Mett in his 10 total practices there. But you are serious.
You have extremely low football iq.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:12 pm to bradybones24
Calm down redtiger....I like Cam....but he belongs in the NFL if we're going to keep recruiting dual threat QB's.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:13 pm to bradybones24
quote:I see. He just suddenly remembered it all in '13. You are fun. Not Rex fun, but fun.
He had the entire spring with georgia....then another whole year with another coach. Probably learned more about playing quaterback in one spring with Richt than he did three years with Les.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:14 pm to BeeFense5
quote:
I thought you were being sarcastic about Richt developing Mett in his 10 total practices there. But you are serious.
You have extremely low football iq.
If you said it then I must.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:16 pm to bradybones24
Like I said before I'm a basketball guy but habits are habits and development is development. The trend is that Miles has not developed quarterbacks....end of discussion.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:18 pm to bradybones24
You reply to yourself a lot. Interesting.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:20 pm to bradybones24
quote:
I see. He just suddenly remembered it all in '13. You are fun. Not Rex fun, but fun.
You guys have obviously not played a down, pitch, or a second, of any relevant sport at any significant level. I just realized that I'm dealing with a different type of person here...I'm out boys I'll come back at the end of the year to see who's changed their tune.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:22 pm to bradybones24
quote:
You reply to yourself a lot. Interesting.
Coming from a guy with 35,000 posts surely you've done that a time or two?
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:23 pm to bradybones24
quote:
Hahahaha...Yeah you're right I forgot Mett was developed by this staff...thank god he got 2 months with Richt and 1 year with whoever else in JUCO. And don't even say Cam was responsible cause the best game of his life was bama with Stud as O.C.
Hoooooly shite
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:25 pm to Springlake Tiger
Fire Les, hire Springlake Tiger! undefeated in 2015
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:26 pm to Springlake Tiger
You have a point, and this may lead to more playing time for Harris. We'll see.
In looking solely at the offense, apart from the defensive deficiencies, I think the flaw in Miles' offensive philosophy is a lack of deception/creativity to go along with the power-running game. I liken it to a pitcher in baseball with a great fastball that leans on his heat too much, and doesn't work in enough off-speed pitches. The variety of pitches complement each other. The off-speed pitches are not only effective in their deception, but they also keep hitters off-balance, and make the fastball that much more effective.
Greg Cosell was on Colin Cowherd's radio show last week talking about how the Seattle Seahawks run a deception-misdirection-based offense in the NFL. Even if you don't like Cowherd, this is a great listen if you like football. They also talk about Odell Beckham Jr. in this clip.
Last year the running game was extremely effective, averaging 5 YPC, largely because the passing game kept defenses off-balance (of course, Hill, the OL, TEs, and FBs were phenomenal as well). If Miles has a good QB and OC, the offense can hum. This year the passing game has taken a major step back as expected, but there are still ways to keep defenses off-balance without a high-flying, prolific passing attack -- misdirection-type plays, reverses and fakes (even if it just involves RBs out of a variety of multiple back formations), etc. Things that give the defense different looks and cause hesitation, or cause defenders to start outside when the play is going inside and vice versa, different formations, different personnel groupings, things that break tendencies so that the offense doesn't become predictable.
2 specific things that I think could bolster Miles' power-running philosophy:
1. Involving the TEs more in the passing game. As much as they are on the field, this would be an excellent way to keep linebackers off-balance with quick hitters over the middle and in the flats. They don't have to be complex, progression-type passing plays. I think the current lack of passes to the TEs (especially considering how much they are on the field) takes pressure off of opposing defenses by allowing them to narrow their focus. Often times, defenses are just giving LSU the TE pass. There have been a number of plays this year where TEs are running wide open, but the QB throws elsewhere.
Plus, TEs give you have the added bonus of physical running after the catch, so it practically becomes an extension of the power-running game.
Also, the TE-throwback play can be effective in a variety of ways, especially with QBs with good mobility.
2. Change-of-pace-type/all-purpose-type backs with elite quickness as a complement to the bigger backs. With Nick Saban at Alabama, I think LSU should always carry a few of these types of guys on the roster because they present a lot of matchup problems to Saban's big linebackers. Saban's defenses are usually great at stopping a power-running game, largely because of those jumbo LBs, so I think you have to attack their weakness, and that will typically be lateral movement, making plays in space, essentially, keeping up with guys with elite quickness and moves. Line them up in the slot, get them the ball on screens, draws, reverses, sweeps, shovel passes, option plays (provided you have a QB that knows how to run the option effectively), etc. This type of stuff can get those LBs back on their heels instead of their toes, and force them to hesitate to diagnose instead of coming up to stuff the run.
Using this personnel could also force Saban to make personnel changes on defenses to try to match up, giving the power-running game a better matchup for success.
Of course, Saban's defenses can also be ripped up by precision passing while picking up the blitzes and keeping the QB relatively clean, but in those years where you don't have a top-notch QB, or you're breaking in a new QB, or you have protection problems, these are matchups that you can go to that will always give those big LBs trouble with the right calls.
Again, I think this is more of a year-to-year, fundamental flaw, so the above is meant to apply generally, not just to this year.
In looking solely at the offense, apart from the defensive deficiencies, I think the flaw in Miles' offensive philosophy is a lack of deception/creativity to go along with the power-running game. I liken it to a pitcher in baseball with a great fastball that leans on his heat too much, and doesn't work in enough off-speed pitches. The variety of pitches complement each other. The off-speed pitches are not only effective in their deception, but they also keep hitters off-balance, and make the fastball that much more effective.
Greg Cosell was on Colin Cowherd's radio show last week talking about how the Seattle Seahawks run a deception-misdirection-based offense in the NFL. Even if you don't like Cowherd, this is a great listen if you like football. They also talk about Odell Beckham Jr. in this clip.
Last year the running game was extremely effective, averaging 5 YPC, largely because the passing game kept defenses off-balance (of course, Hill, the OL, TEs, and FBs were phenomenal as well). If Miles has a good QB and OC, the offense can hum. This year the passing game has taken a major step back as expected, but there are still ways to keep defenses off-balance without a high-flying, prolific passing attack -- misdirection-type plays, reverses and fakes (even if it just involves RBs out of a variety of multiple back formations), etc. Things that give the defense different looks and cause hesitation, or cause defenders to start outside when the play is going inside and vice versa, different formations, different personnel groupings, things that break tendencies so that the offense doesn't become predictable.
2 specific things that I think could bolster Miles' power-running philosophy:
1. Involving the TEs more in the passing game. As much as they are on the field, this would be an excellent way to keep linebackers off-balance with quick hitters over the middle and in the flats. They don't have to be complex, progression-type passing plays. I think the current lack of passes to the TEs (especially considering how much they are on the field) takes pressure off of opposing defenses by allowing them to narrow their focus. Often times, defenses are just giving LSU the TE pass. There have been a number of plays this year where TEs are running wide open, but the QB throws elsewhere.
Plus, TEs give you have the added bonus of physical running after the catch, so it practically becomes an extension of the power-running game.
Also, the TE-throwback play can be effective in a variety of ways, especially with QBs with good mobility.
2. Change-of-pace-type/all-purpose-type backs with elite quickness as a complement to the bigger backs. With Nick Saban at Alabama, I think LSU should always carry a few of these types of guys on the roster because they present a lot of matchup problems to Saban's big linebackers. Saban's defenses are usually great at stopping a power-running game, largely because of those jumbo LBs, so I think you have to attack their weakness, and that will typically be lateral movement, making plays in space, essentially, keeping up with guys with elite quickness and moves. Line them up in the slot, get them the ball on screens, draws, reverses, sweeps, shovel passes, option plays (provided you have a QB that knows how to run the option effectively), etc. This type of stuff can get those LBs back on their heels instead of their toes, and force them to hesitate to diagnose instead of coming up to stuff the run.
Using this personnel could also force Saban to make personnel changes on defenses to try to match up, giving the power-running game a better matchup for success.
Of course, Saban's defenses can also be ripped up by precision passing while picking up the blitzes and keeping the QB relatively clean, but in those years where you don't have a top-notch QB, or you're breaking in a new QB, or you have protection problems, these are matchups that you can go to that will always give those big LBs trouble with the right calls.
Again, I think this is more of a year-to-year, fundamental flaw, so the above is meant to apply generally, not just to this year.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:28 pm to bradybones24
quote:Want to see my letter jacket?
You guys have obviously not played a down, pitch, or a second, of any relevant sport at any significant level. I just realized that I'm dealing with a different type of person here...
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:30 pm to bradybones24
quote:
I was simply replying to the 101,233rd "highest winning percentage" in LSU history
BB24, U seem like a decent enuf fella altho never wrong.
Serious question. Why do u hate him? What really is it?
The facts are Miles has been below average on recruiting/Developing QB's, speaking w/ the media and has been embarrassing on game day a few times.
I understand after 10 yrs this is what u got and u will run with that until further notice. With all the stuff youve said about him and u can never be wrong what else can u do. That 101,233rd post is stating the most important fact. And when u add in: no major sanctions, NFL Pipeline and high graduation rates, some more facts, U must ask for at least the 101,233rd time as well Who's doing better at their job description? Who could do better? Where is he, what's his name? Would he come, would we offer?
When u respond, I will stop reading at the but....
Let it go bro, we all did. It's fun cringing during and then chuckling after the game.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 4:34 pm
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