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The Fundamental Flaw with Miles's Offensive Philosophy

Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:32 am
Posted by Springlake Tiger
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:32 am
I get it. He wants to run the ball to slow down the game, outphysical his opponent, and not turn the ball over. This is a good strategy ONLY if you have a dominant defense. LSU's defense is not dominant or even close to dominant. Once LSU falls behind, they have almost zero chance of catching up with this offensive philosophy, unless the opponent has a pathetic offense (see Florida).

Sometimes you need to abandon your philosophy for an interim period of time. See Nick Saban in 2001. After figuring out that his defense wasn't good, he told Jimbo to unleash Rohan and try to outscore everyone b/c the defense simply wasn't good enough. He then reverted back to his usual strategy/philosophy on offense when he thought his defense was good enough.

Bottom line, Jennings is not mentally or physically capable of leading a prolific passing offense. And the other teams' defenses know this. Play Harris, let him hand the ball off and "if" you do fall behind, you actually might have a chance at coming back via the forward pass.

Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:37 am to
Haven't we come from behind a few times this year?
Posted by OC504
NOLA
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:39 am to
Here we go!!!! For the 100th time!!!
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:43 am to
the flaw in your plan is Les can do what he needs with Jennings !
Posted by lsu2006
BR
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:46 am to
Fair assessment (sort of).

That said, Rohan and Josh Reed ain't walking through that door.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:50 am to
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Jennings is not mentally or physically capable of leading a prolific passing offense.


How the hell do you know, I hear he is a really good student so don't say shite like that.

Nobody dislikes Less ball more than me, but you cant go from a run team to a "prolific" passing team in a week much less switch over after you fall behind. We stink on offense and are trying to win any way we can.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:55 am
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:50 am to
quote:

the flaw in your plan is Les can do what he needs with Jennings !


not against ole miss, bama, or texas a&m

0% chance of winning if he uses the florida game plan
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Once LSU falls behind, they have almost zero chance of catching up with this offensive philosophy


if your premise is true, then we have almost a zero chance of scoring with a passing offense in the first place and will just fall behind faster.

I think you are outthinking yourself. we HAVE to score points to win and our running game is the best chance we have to score points. fall behind or not.

switching your offense to an offense you can't score using is not the way to win ball games. I would like to see a more prolific passing attack also as would every damn LSU fan on the planet. maybe our guys will get better at it no matter who the qb is
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:53 am to
quote:

Haven't we come from behind a few times this year?


I know I have.
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:54 am to
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How the hell do you know, I hear he is a really good student so don't say shite like that.


I observed his play on the field. Plenty of book smart people can process information well with no pressure and no spotlight on them. I didn't mean that he is dumb, I meant that he has problems performing under pressure. He makes up his mind before the play even starts to compensate for that fact.
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:57 am to
This is his philosophy when limited by the QB, which has been most of his tenure. However, last year we set schools records throwing the ball. If he has the QB, he'll let it rip.
Posted by Freder
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:59 am to
So did you come up with this revelation yourself or are you repeating what someone else said?
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39979 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

This is his philosophy when limited by the QB, which has been most of his tenure. However, last year we set schools records throwing the ball. If he has the QB, he'll let it rip.

Exactly. His problem has been recruitment and development (personally or via a decent QB coach) of competent QB's.

I'm willing to wipe the slate clean for now, as we have Cameron in-house and two VERY green QBs. If, in 2016, we still see less-than-competent QB play, leading to a necessity to play in a conservative manner as we're seeing now... Yeah, we've got some issues.
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

I'm willing to wipe the slate clean for now, as we have Cameron in-house and two VERY green QBs. If, in 2016, we still see less-than-competent QB play, leading to a necessity to play in a conservative manner as we're seeing now... Yeah, we've got some issues.


Agree. The odd part is he had a couple decent QBs at Ok State. Not sure if Gundy deserves some credit for developing them or what.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:10 pm to
Les should have let him start vs auburn.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Les should have let him start vs auburn.


ETA: nevermind, misread
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10232 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:13 pm to
Look I hate that we don't have a passing game. But like one poster said it ain't getting fixed in a week. Harris throwing all over agianst Ole Miss and Bama is asking for multipile picks and blow outs.
Posted by hondurantiger
Portland, OR
Member since Feb 2007
2175 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

his is his philosophy when limited by the QB, which has been most of his tenure. However, last year we set schools records throwing the ball. If he has the QB, he'll let it rip.


yep...this guy gets it.
What would you have them do? let it rip..keep going 3 and out and have to trot the defense out?
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29264 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:29 pm to
miles doesn't trust the qb's but it is what it is
Posted by tigerfoot
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56241 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:35 pm to
I thought this thread was a philosophy thread. It is just a play Harris thread
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