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re: That 3rd and 8...Hindsight isn't 20/20.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:27 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I also think it's silly to say "there's no way to know Bama would march down the field and score a TD." Seems to me, you should be playing the game at that point, assuming that could very likely happen.
THIS!!!!!!!
THIS!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:29 pm to supatigah
quote:
If we want to bitch then bitch about the awful runs on first and second down. The third and fourth down calls we were by the book. It just didn't work out
Agree with this. You could tell once they got that last first down that Miles was content to essentially just kneel on the ball at that point. That's the one thing I found so frustrating, and I felt it immediately Saturday night.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:34 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Exactly
The time to go for the jugular was first or second down. Preferably dial up a PA on 2nd and hope you catch them leaning run all the way
After 2nd down, the decision to play safe was the obvious one
The time to go for the jugular was first or second down. Preferably dial up a PA on 2nd and hope you catch them leaning run all the way
After 2nd down, the decision to play safe was the obvious one
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:41 pm to supatigah
quote:
What should have happened:
Kick FG - good, up 6
KO - hope Hairston puts it in the end zone, no return
BAMA has to drive 80 yds to score a TD with no timeouts and 1:30 left on the clock against a defense that has stoned them the entire second half
That may not be the aggressive play but it was the smart play
Think about that. That's a lot of hopes, assumptions and should haves.
1. Hope your kicker makes the 40+ yard FG
2. Hope you put it in the EZ on the kickoff.
3. Assume your D will stop them
vs.
Convert 3rd and 10 = Game Over.
Yes, there was some risk to think about by putting it in the air on 3rd down, i.e. stopping the clock and giving Bama 30 more seconds to work with or commiting a turn over. But to me, the reward of ending the game right there if you convert without having ever having to give Bama the ball back, greatly outweighed your risk. Why conceed giving them the ball back when you have the ball in your hand with the opportunity to prevent having to do so.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:41 pm to Biglesman
quote:
What about chavis' prevent defense?
clearly you dont understand the premise of this thread.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:45 pm to Alt26
Because even with a hot hand they don't trust mett or the WRs to throw it right there
Period
The end.
Period
The end.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:46 pm to supatigah
1st down was the time for the kill shot
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:48 pm to BilJ
quote:
1st down was the time for the kill shot
Play action there would have been awesome.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:50 pm to supatigah
quote:
Because even with a hot hand they don't trust mett or the WRs to throw it right there Period The end.
But Mett and the receivers showed they have the talent to own Bama. If that's the case, why haven't we worked more on the passing game to build that trust?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:52 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Well, if they don't trust Mett, then there's a serious problem. And why would that be? Kid had a hot hand the whole 2nd half. Why would you pull the reigns back on him in that situation?? I don't get it.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:53 pm to supatigah
quote:
Because even with a hot hand they don't trust mett or the WRs to throw it right there
Period
The end.
If that's the case, then they'll NEVER trust them, and this offense will always be mediocre at best. It's great to run the ball for 300 yards per game and just put it in the air intermittenly, but eventually there's going to come a game where you have to come out of your comfort zone a little. Once LSU went down 14-3, this was that game and Mettenberger/the WR's and O-line delivered. We'll obviously never know if that was the reason for the 3rd and 10 playcall, but if so, then shame on the coaching staff for not putting the game in the hands of the guys on the field.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:56 pm to Alt26
Guys, I mean, I look at it like this...It's pu$$y football. Plain and simple. Your QB is hot, their on their heels, etc. Once again, WIN THE GAME! Go for the jugular. Get the 1st, win the game, and lets talk about the National Title. Not the damn Capital One Bowl. Goodness.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:57 pm to TigerinCharlotte
Have you watched mett this season? Would you really trust him on 3rd and 7 at that point in the game? I honestly would have done the exact same thing miles did on 3rd and 4th down. No way do I put mett, the WRs and the OL in a position to get us beat. No way, no how
I play it different on 1st or second down. I don't put the ball at risk on 3rd or 4th down
I play it different on 1st or second down. I don't put the ball at risk on 3rd or 4th down
Posted on 11/5/12 at 1:58 pm to TigerinCharlotte
quote:I like the way you think.
Guys, I mean, I look at it like this...It's pu$$y football. Plain and simple. Your QB is hot, their on their heels, etc. Once again, WIN THE GAME! Go for the jugular. Get the 1st, win the game, and lets talk about the National Title. Not the damn Capital One Bowl. Goodness.
BTW, I will be working on a project in Charlotte starting this week, so may want to hang out during the games. Suggestion?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 2:01 pm to Alt26
The key was "right there"
You have to look far and wide to find a coach that trusts a QB to throw it in that situation. They have those guys in the NFL
brees
Manning
Rothlisberger
Brady
But in college? Not so easy to find.
FTR Only one HC had a chance to knock off #1 BAMA Saturday night and he didn't trust his QB to throw it right there
I don't blame him one bit
You have to look far and wide to find a coach that trusts a QB to throw it in that situation. They have those guys in the NFL
brees
Manning
Rothlisberger
Brady
But in college? Not so easy to find.
FTR Only one HC had a chance to knock off #1 BAMA Saturday night and he didn't trust his QB to throw it right there
I don't blame him one bit
Posted on 11/5/12 at 2:02 pm to 2007lsuno1
2007...What part of town are you staying?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 2:02 pm to TigerinCharlotte
Makes sense right up until the time Mett throws an INT. Not arguing that Mett wasn't on fire, but all it takes is a tipped ball, a defender hitting Mett's arm, etc. You can play woulda, shoulda, coulda all week long, but you just don't know how things would have played out had LSU passed on that down.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 2:04 pm to 1984Tiger
1984...I will take my chance with that if I'm Miles. Again, what is so hard about this...A first down ends it!!! It's over. By you're comment, you're playing not to lose. WHY??
Posted on 11/5/12 at 2:08 pm to TigerinCharlotte
could not agree more and you wrote it nearly exactly how I would have...but would've also added:
"Alleman, according to the announcers, had never made a field goal that far! So, the probabitly of making vs. making a first down, was a no-brainer. I knew that game was lost when they lined up to attempt the kick."
Did Miles even know this?
Horrible, horrible, horrible call. 3 pts would have NOT mattered...and that's not hindsight either.
You don't EVER give the ball back to 'Bama with over 2 minutes left.
"Alleman, according to the announcers, had never made a field goal that far! So, the probabitly of making vs. making a first down, was a no-brainer. I knew that game was lost when they lined up to attempt the kick."
Did Miles even know this?
Horrible, horrible, horrible call. 3 pts would have NOT mattered...and that's not hindsight either.
You don't EVER give the ball back to 'Bama with over 2 minutes left.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/5/12 at 2:10 pm to TigerinCharlotte
That entire last drive we should have gone to the air. We are passing for almost 300 yards and are imposing your will, stop playing so damn conservative and have some faith in the passing game.
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