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Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:35 pm to Gugich22
I am a TCU fan checking in here.
In Gary Patterson's 4-2-5 defense the corners both play primarily man coverage 1-on-1 on an island, which is preferable with a good pass rush.
Our problem in this game is that the LSU offensive line did a really good job at keeping the pressure from the defensive line and blitzing linebackers from getting to Mettenberger which meant the man coverage was able to break down frequently on plays. I do remember the other corner #25 Kevin White getting beat quite a few times but I don't recall Verrett really having trouble in this game. LSU was able to do well in the passing game with great pass protection and exploiting the portion of the field that Verrett was not covering.
Verrett got beat for a TD once all year, which was against Kansas State when he tripped in coverage leading to a wide open receiver. You can see it in this video at the 23:13 mark LINK
Apart from that he did a good job at shutting down receivers all year. Antawn Godley from Baylor did nothing, neither did Jalen Saunders from Oklahoma or Josh Stewart from Oklahoma State. Verrett did his job against LSU, he wasn't perfect but did as good as could be expected, the rest of the secondary and especially the pass rush did not
In Gary Patterson's 4-2-5 defense the corners both play primarily man coverage 1-on-1 on an island, which is preferable with a good pass rush.
Our problem in this game is that the LSU offensive line did a really good job at keeping the pressure from the defensive line and blitzing linebackers from getting to Mettenberger which meant the man coverage was able to break down frequently on plays. I do remember the other corner #25 Kevin White getting beat quite a few times but I don't recall Verrett really having trouble in this game. LSU was able to do well in the passing game with great pass protection and exploiting the portion of the field that Verrett was not covering.
Verrett got beat for a TD once all year, which was against Kansas State when he tripped in coverage leading to a wide open receiver. You can see it in this video at the 23:13 mark LINK
Apart from that he did a good job at shutting down receivers all year. Antawn Godley from Baylor did nothing, neither did Jalen Saunders from Oklahoma or Josh Stewart from Oklahoma State. Verrett did his job against LSU, he wasn't perfect but did as good as could be expected, the rest of the secondary and especially the pass rush did not
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:38 pm to goldennugget
Does anyone else remember a whole bunch of pass interference going on during that game? Officals let them play.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:39 pm to Dr Von Nostrand
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Does anyone else remember a whole bunch of pass interference going on during that game? Officals let them play.
Yes tons.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:40 pm to Dr Von Nostrand
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Does anyone else remember a whole bunch of pass interference going on during that game? Officals let them play.
As someone who played scout team receiver against the TCU defense for 4 years, I know all about this
Yes its interference. As a scout team receiver I got grabbed, pulled, tugged, pushed, and everything. But that is how the corners coaches at TCU taught the corners, they pretty much taught them to play as aggressive as possible without getting caught, because they play nothing but one on one man
As a scout team receiver it was frustrating, but its a good strategy because refs really don't call it much. The coaches were good at teaching our corners how to play aggressive and tactics to use without it being interference or holding, even though most of the time by the rule book it probably is interference.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:45 pm to Dr. Shultz
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Probably just looked at stats. Either way. You should never say you "shutdown" a receiver who went for over 100 yards on your team
Unless you are talking about PatPete covering Julio, right. Then it helps your argument.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:46 pm to jose canseco
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PatPete covering Julio
frickin cramps
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:49 pm to Gugich22
quote:I'm just pointing out that you are making assumptions. His stats are not assumptions. Please don't put words in my mouth/posts.
ou're going to just assume he was shut down by one guy, yet did well against everyone else?
Sure...this happens all the time. You act as though it's rare?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:49 pm to Gugich22
quote:If he was not shut down, then he was not shut down.
He was not shut down on the night/day...period.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Jason Verrett shut him down.
How is this so hard to comprehend?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:52 pm to AlxTgr
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If he was not shut down, then he was not shut down.
If I were Verrett I wouldn't have used "shut down" when talking about how he covered OGB
He completely shut down Baylor's receivers. That is the game I would use "shut down" for.
For LSU I would say he contained the LSU receivers, not shut down
Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:54 pm to goldennugget
I just looked at OBJand Jarvis Landrys game film from TCU.
OBJ had 2 catches for ~20 yards and Verrett was called for a PI on one play in the end zone.
Jarvis had zero catches against Verrett but was also rarely matched up against him.
Verrett batted down two possible TDs for sure.
I came away really impressed with Verrett I'm not gonna lie. You can obviously see he gets away with a lot of contact though
Yeah bc someone getting hurt and having to leave the game is a good comparison right? fricking moron
OBJ had 2 catches for ~20 yards and Verrett was called for a PI on one play in the end zone.
Jarvis had zero catches against Verrett but was also rarely matched up against him.
Verrett batted down two possible TDs for sure.
I came away really impressed with Verrett I'm not gonna lie. You can obviously see he gets away with a lot of contact though
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Unless you are talking about PatPete covering Julio, right. Then it helps your argument.
Yeah bc someone getting hurt and having to leave the game is a good comparison right? fricking moron
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:17 pm to Dr. Shultz
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I just looked at OBJand Jarvis Landrys game film from TCU.
OBJ had 2 catches for ~20 yards and Verrett was called for a PI on one play in the end zone.
Jarvis had zero catches against Verrett but was also rarely matched up against him.
Verrett batted down two possible TDs for sure.
Thank you
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:33 pm to Dr. Shultz
Dr. Shultz,
My man you are correct! If a man goes for 5 catches and 118 yards then you can not say he was shut down by anyone! i dont care if he didnt guard him the entire game...you just gotta let that game go without any comment. Go pick a game with a big time reciever you had the entire game and only gave up 20-50 yards....not 100 plus
My man you are correct! If a man goes for 5 catches and 118 yards then you can not say he was shut down by anyone! i dont care if he didnt guard him the entire game...you just gotta let that game go without any comment. Go pick a game with a big time reciever you had the entire game and only gave up 20-50 yards....not 100 plus
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:42 pm to Gugich22
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As i stated earlier in this thread, if OBJ only caught 1 ball for 16 yards vs. 7-10 plays where they were matched up, then he did shut him down.
Not even that is true. Let's say on those 7-10 plays they were matched up 60% of them were runs (because that is our balance) so between 3-4 passes. One was a catch, and the others could have been completed or attempted to other receivers even though OBJ had beaten him or was not the primary target. All you can say for sure based on the information available is LSU had no problem passing the ball on TCU. Verrett may have been protected by other poor defenders, or their inability to stop Terrence from torching them for 60 yards on the ground.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:55 pm to ffhouston
Just think if he wouldn't have "held him down" - OBJ may have gone for 200 yards. Oh, and Jarvis may have gone for 200 also. Sure glad Verrett was in that game! (note the dripping sarcasm)... 5 catches for 118 yards, I'd take that anyday and call it success, especially when we kicked their butts.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:57 pm to ffhouston
Yea, his definition is obviously different than a lot of peoples. I bet NFL scouts also don't see that he shut Beckham down either. 
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:57 pm to Dr. Shultz
quote:yes he can, if it wasn't against him
Probably just looked at stats. Either way. You should never say you "shutdown" a receiver who went for over 100 yards on your team.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:00 pm to Neauxla
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Neauxla
Tread lightly. These dolts will say that he is responsible for every passing yard given up against both OBJ and Jarvis Landry - regardless if he was covering either of them or not.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:02 pm to Gugich22
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These dolts will say that he is responsible for every passing yard given up against both OBJ and Jarvis Landry - regardless if he was covering either of them or not.
Ugh... No one said that.
My issues are pretty much just in semantics. I have a hard time saying he shut Beckham down, because he wasn't covering him the whole game and Beckham had over 100 yards. So, by any measurement, Beckham was not "shut down".
Also - Verrett is a beast.
That is all.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:55 pm to Gugich22
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1 ball for 16 yards vs. 7-10 plays where they were matched up, then he did shut him down. People looking at the box score and seeing OBJ catching 5 balls for 118 yards is not indicative of his performance against Jason Verrett.
1 catch in every 10 plays for 16 yards would extrapolate to over a hundred yards and about 7 catches in a normal game. Kinda EXACTLY what OBJ got for the game. So all the DBs defended him about the same, not very well. WHICH IS FACT
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