re: T-Bob is talking about 1/9/12 conspiracies on WWL right now

Best entry on this thread for things that will happen again with miles

Well maybe you should have went to the dome when we played OSU.

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by Ritual76
It's not "who started" that was/is the issue, it's why didn't Elmer Fudd make a change when Mr Clueless couldn't get us across the 50. Yes, it matters because Elmer's stubborn arse is still the coach and he ruined the best year of LSU football.

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. {cheers}

I can accept the fact we lost, I can't accept that we didn't try to play Lee when JJ was sucking.

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I can accept the fact we lost, I can't accept that we didn't try to play Lee when JJ was sucking.

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It's because you're a stupid fan. Stupid fans always want to find one scapegoat, and they almost always settle on one of three people: the head coach, the offensive coordinator, or the QB.

That day, we lost because our offensive line was utterly destroyed. That was the one situation in which Lee could not be used, because he was a quitter under pressure.

Ever wonder why a guy who could make all the throws, and led the SEC in passing efficiency, got zero interest from the NFL? It was because they saw what Miles saw - a guy without the nerve to stand in a competitive pocket. We'd have lost by a hundred that night if we'd have put him in.

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It's not "who started" that was/is the issue, it's why didn't Elmer Fudd make a change when Mr Clueless couldn't get us across the 50. Yes, it matters because Elmer's stubborn arse is still the coach and he ruined the best year of LSU football.

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Hmmmm . . . let's see. You want Miles to substitute Lee for Jefferson.

At halftime of the BCSCG, Jefferson had completed 85.71% of his passes, and he had a QB efficiency rating of 116.91.

At the end of the third quarter of the BCSCG, Jefferson had completed 76.92% of his passes, and he had a QB efficiency rating of 97.08.

Or Miles could turn to Lee:

In the 2008 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 69.13 and a completion percentage of 38.24%.
In the 2009 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 56.96 and a completion percentage of 40.00%.
In the 2010 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 137.54 and a completion percentage of 57.14%.
In the 2011 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 14.52 and a completion percentage of 42.19%.

Comparing Lee's QB Rating against Alabama to Jefferson's QB Rating against Alabama in the BCSCG, Lee had a higher QB Rating against Alabama only ONE time in Lee's entire career.

Comparing Lee's completion percentage against Alabama to Jefferson's completion percentage against Alabama in the BCSCG, Lee NEVER had a higher completion percentage against Alabama in Lee's entire career.

So, at the end of the first half of the BCSCG, Miles can stick with a QB who is completing over 85% of his passes, or he can substitute Lee into the game.


Lee might have mixed things up. Lee might have sparked the team. However, the odds were not in Lee's favor. He was exactly the kind of QB that Alabama's defense feasted on: an immobile pocket passer. His history against Alabama confirms that statement, and his history against Alabama can be fairly described as abysmal.

On the other hand, Jefferson as QB slowed the Bama rush down. Moreover, Jefferson's ability to lead a second half comeback in 2011 was rock solid before the BCSCG. Jefferson had led comebacks in the last three HUGE games prior to the BCSCG: the GOTC, the Arkansas game, and the SECCG.


Many fans did not think at halftime of the GOTC that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, in OT, Jefferson executed a perfect short-side option to Ford which put LSU in position for victory.

LSU beat Alabama at their house in the GOTC.


Many fans did not think with four minutes left in the half and LSU trailing 14-7 against Arkansas that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, Jefferson passed for 208 yards, LSU's second highest passing total of the season, and Jefferson rushed for an additional 53 yards, all against the #3 team in the nation which positioned LSU for victory.

LSU blew the doors off of Arkansas, won the SEC West, and earned an invitation in the SECCG.


Many fans did not think at halftime with LSU trailing 10-7 to Georgia in the SECCG that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, Jefferson executed options and zone reads to near perfection, and he threw a TD pass to Hilliard as LSU's offense scored FOUR TDs against a Top Five defense in their own backyard.

LSU rushed for over 200 yards, and Jefferson being the QB was an integral part of that, and LSU blew out Georgia and earned the right to play in the BCSCG.


So, of course, many fans did not think at halftime of Jan 9 that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. Unfortunately, the stars were aligned against LSU that night. They never got the spark they needed against a totally amped up Alabama team that was desperate for redemption. However, Jefferson completed nearly 65% of his passes despite his porous offensive line. Had LSU been able to continue to switch it up and throw more in the second half of the BCSCG, it might have been a different story. However, the line could not hold Alabama back long enough to give Jefferson time to throw.


Jefferson played in FOUR huge games in 2011: the GOTC, the Arkansas game, the SECCG, and the BCSCG. At halftime, or four minutes before the half, LSU was losing in each of those games. Nevertheless, Miles showed faith in Jefferson, and Jefferson delivered in every game but one.

Thus, in my opinion, given the three HUGE games before the BCSCG, a reasonable mind could rationally choose to stick with Jefferson for the second half of the BCSCG because it had worked well in the three previous HUGE games.

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In fact, in 2003 when LSU won the SEC and natty, they had to re-beat Georgia in the SEC championship...they did.

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Yep...you don't whine about having to play a team twice when you whip 'em. Same scenario too. Georgia was bitching about calls in the previous game and how they really outplayed us and wanting revenge, etc. Just like Bama was 2011.

Yet we went in their home state and beat them worse, much worse than the first time. There was no "wah! we shouldn't have to play them again, We beat them already, blah, blah.". I tire of hearing the whiners. They sound like Bama fans.

If we couldn't get motivated to play for a national title that's our problem and no one else's. Tired of hearing the excuses and rationalizations.

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Jennings or bust, blindly loyal to him, allowing him to be the only one to take any snaps when he was blatantly struggling and stinking up the joint.

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You're dumb

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Jefferson was absolutely horrendous

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Hah...that was the one constant of his career!

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Receivers were open at points downfield. JJ just couldn't or didn't throw the ball on 4-5 occassions

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Really?!?! The last time I saw a post like yours, it said only 2-3 occasions. Before that, it was 1-2 occasions. It grows every year. The next time I read a post like yours, it will say 6-7 occasions.

Please point out the plays in which receivers were open, the o-line gave Jefferson time to throw, and Jefferson didn't throw the ball.

The bullshite mythos about the BCSCG grows every year.

LSU's problem in the BCSCG was not Jefferson. The problem was the offensive line. Jefferson had NO time to throw. Moreover, LSU could NOT run the ball.

LSU rushed for 39 yards.

LSU RBs rushed for 24 yards for the WHOLE game.

. . . . . . . . . . . CAR . YDS .. YPC
K. Hilliard . . . .. 5 . . . 16 . . . 3.2
J. Jefferson . . 14 . . . 15 . . . 1.1
S. Ware . . . . . . 3 . . . . 7 . . . 2.3
M. Ford . . . . . . 4 . . . . 1 . . .. 0.3
J. Copeland . .. 1 . . . . 0 . . .. 0.0
Team . . . . . . . 27 . .. 39 . . .. 1.4