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re: Statistics: Why LSU will beat Wisconsin: A response to Wisc Trolls
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:19 am to IceColdBeer
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:19 am to IceColdBeer
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Bringing up 293yds against USCe whose entire dline was more focused on not getting injured and the nfl combine than that shitty bowl is ridiculous. You lost by 10 as well.
We did lose by 10 and I did not speak otherwise. It was anyone's game until a South Carolina touchdown late in the fourth.
I also think it is pretty unfair for you to assume that South Carolina's defense had one foot out the door. You're relaying what pundits have speculated, which may or may not be true.
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You also are giving your Oline way to much credit. Watch PSU,OSU,and ASU game. Those defenses didnt get manhandled by that Oline.
As I have said previously, your fan base simply did not watch either the Ohio State or Penn State game. In both games, Joel Stave threw more balls than he has in his entire career because Wisconsin was playing from behind in both games. Has nothing to with their run-blocking ability, which has been lauded as the best year in and year out.
Wisconsin, and more specifically Gordon, ran for 230 yards and averaged over seven yards per carry against Arizona State.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:21 am to LSURulzSEC
Again, LSU has nothing to do with Wisconsin's winning percentage. A winning percentage greater than .700, which was Top 15 in college football's most recent era, is pretty damn good regardless of conference affiliation.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:27 am to hoopsgalore
Hoops,
Relevant point. Over .700 in a major conference is significant and a good point.
Relevant point. Over .700 in a major conference is significant and a good point.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:38 am to Johnkester59
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I'm not saying that because Iowa played you close UW will win. I am saying that because of that game, as well as many other factors, I expect our game to be close too. LSU is the clear favorite, but it is by a much smaller margin than many here suspect. If UW plays well we have every chance of pulling out the W.
and everyone on here over the age of 12 agrees with you.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:52 am to hoopsgalore
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A winning percentage greater than .700, which was Top 15 in college football's most recent era, is pretty damn good regardless of conference affiliation.
So you have no problem with Boise State's .834 win percentage during this same era...which if we are all honest, we know damn well they would be nowhere close to that in Big 10 or SEC...correct?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:05 am to LSURulzSEC
Would Boise State win with that percentage? In another conference? Probably not.
They did win with relative ease against the competition they were paired with. Can't fault Petersen for developing players far greater than what Boise State is supposed to be. Absolutely no fault in that. Winning greater than 80-percent is impressive, regardless of conference affiliation.
I am not sure what you are even attempting to argue at this point, to be honest.
They did win with relative ease against the competition they were paired with. Can't fault Petersen for developing players far greater than what Boise State is supposed to be. Absolutely no fault in that. Winning greater than 80-percent is impressive, regardless of conference affiliation.
I am not sure what you are even attempting to argue at this point, to be honest.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:19 am to hoopsgalore
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Would Boise State win with that percentage? In another conference? Probably not.
Then conference affiliation and win percentages matter...you can't say regardless of conference affiliation...
We all saw how Miami and Florida State first rolled the Big East and ACC all those years, two conferences that did not have football powerhouses to deal with, they were basketball schools for the most part...
Would they have compiled the same amount of wins had they joined the Big 10, SEC or Big 12 all those years? No...again...conference affiliation matters...
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:04 pm to hoopsgalore
Interesting point.
In the past, a decent Boise st team can go 10-2, 11-1 year in and year out. That same decent team would go 7-5 in the SEC.
In the past, a decent Boise st team can go 10-2, 11-1 year in and year out. That same decent team would go 7-5 in the SEC.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:13 pm to LSURulzSEC
A winning percentage of .800 or better is terrific regardless of what conference Boise State plays in. Of course I can say that because what Boise State has done is a fact. What you are saying is purely theoretical.
Chris Petersen recruited and developed talent more so than any other program during his tenure in the WAC/MWC. Cannot fault him for that.
Again, I fail to see what you're attempting to articulate. My original argument is that Wisconsin wins at a high rate. The most recent era of college football reflects that.
Chris Petersen recruited and developed talent more so than any other program during his tenure in the WAC/MWC. Cannot fault him for that.
Again, I fail to see what you're attempting to articulate. My original argument is that Wisconsin wins at a high rate. The most recent era of college football reflects that.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 2:21 pm to hoopsgalore
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That horrific OSU defense shut that running game down and PSU did much the same. 4 of the next 5 he was the clear ineffective RB (and thus his carries. Over the first 6 games, he averaged more carries than White. Last 6, the coaches consciously switched to White given him a full 5 more carries a game.
Because neither team actually shut down the run game. Wisconsin was forced to abandon it due to playing from behind. There is a reason those were the two games Joel Stave threw the most balls in his career. There is a reason Jared Abbrederis had 200+ receiving yards against Ohio State.
Each game had absolutely nothing to do with "[shutting] that run game down."
Beyond hilarious. So Wisconsin 'abandoned' the run because it was so far behind. Lets keep that in mind kids... they weren't shut down - they simply abandoned the run.
For example, in the 3rd quarter against OSU - by abandoning the run, they had 10 offensive plays - 8 rush and 2 pass. Lets repeat - 8 rush and 2 pass. that my friends is abandoning the run
And oh yes, first 10+ minutes of the 4th - 4 rush and 2 pass. So for 25 minutes of the second half - 12 rush, 4 pass and these guys are arguing that rushing is low because they went full pass because being down.
I mean how else can Abby get 200 yards (nevermind 100 were in the first quarter when competitive). You know after Wiskys first 4 runs went for 2, -4, 0, and -1. But don't let the fact they got stuffed get in the way of the narrative - abandoned I tell you - anbandoned.
Also, those of us who watched Herbie cover the game noted 14 passes came in the last 5 minutes (and that is when they abandoned the run - for a whopping 5 minutes!).
So lets summarize - for 25 minutes of the second half they go 12 rush, 4 pass and we are to believe that was evidence they abandoned the run. At the same time the OP is saying I don't watch their snaps? Oh the irony.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 2:29 pm to hoopsgalore
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I did bring up winning percentage to combat the perceived notion that Wisconsin does not win at a high rate.
If anyone questions whether Wisky wins at a high rate they are wrong. They do. Ofcourse they don't beat shite or play anyone worth a crap OOC (my apologies to the marque 1 point win over ASU in 2010 which is the OOC highlight of the past 4 years).
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They indeed do and it has nothing to do with LSU.
Exactly. They beat inferior teams consistently; they lose to more talented teams almost equally as consistently.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 2:40 pm to hoopsgalore
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A winning percentage of .800 or better is terrific regardless of what conference Boise State plays in. Of course I can say that because what Boise State has done is a fact. What you are saying is purely theoretical.
What I'm saying is purely theoretical? You yourself admitted/agreed with me that if Boise was in any other conference their win percentage would not be as high...
That is not theoretical, that is fact...
Again...your argument is that Wisconsin has won at a high rate, .702 and we have agreed with that...what myself and others have been arguing and pointing out with stats that win rate has come against lesser competition (SOS) compared to LSU's and that .702 win percentage would be less if Wisconsin played LSU's SOS every year...
Win percentages ARE dictated to a degree with conference affiliation...that is fact...I gave you two other examples with Miami and their early Big East years and Florida States early years with the ACC...their win percentages and success would have been a lot different if they had been in the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 and had to face quality competition on the same level playing field damn near every week...
Again...conference affiliation does matter...that is not theory...that is fact...
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 2:45 pm to LSURulzSEC
Every single year opposing fans come here and want to argue stats. It seems like they are trying to build their own confidence.
LSU will win and I'm not concerned at all.
LSU will win and I'm not concerned at all.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 2:54 pm to Chadwick
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Every single year opposing fans come here and want to argue stats. It seems like they are trying to build their own confidence.
LSU will win and I'm not concerned at all.
My thoughts exactly. I am usually a worrier, but I just can't get too concerned about this game. LSU has so much more talent - it would take a horrendous performance by the LSU offense, i.e. turnovers, for Wisconsin to have a chance. Barring that, LSU rolls to a convincing win.
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