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Some Final Thoughts On Kragthorpe *updated with link

Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:21 am
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:21 am
It's not the sexy hire, obviously. Throughout the process and yesterday, I remained cautiously optimistic. I wasn't thrilled with the hire (truth be told, I wanted Fuente), but I also didn't think it was the OMGZZZ WORST HIREZ EVAR!

After thinking it over, I'm growing more optimistic. This hire is about two things:

1) Teaching

Ignoring the questionable play calls and gameplans even, it was pretty easy to tell that our quarterbacks were woefully unprepared. Neither Lee nor Jefferson seem to have corrected the same mistakes they've made since stepping on campus, despite both showing tremendous potential at times. That's unfortunate.

Kragthorpe may not be Norm Chow, but he is a trained QB coach, he's had success mentoring guys before and actually spent more than two years of his entire coaching career coaching the position (he also played the position). I think we'll begin seeing the dividends of that pay off immediately (even if that means Mettenberger taking the starting job from day 1).

2) Returning to an identity

The ugliness of the Gary Crowton offense, took many turns. Most times it appeared we had no sort of plan in place at all. Kragthorpe is addition by subtraction in the sense that he's gonna throw out the 45 different formations, hone it down to a few and then operate the offense from those base sets, tinkering with the concept of the play rather than the way it's lined up.

Finally, here's a couple thoughts. From a good Texas A&M blogger:

quote:

As for what type off offense he’ll run, we were just moving to his ideal attack when the Buffalo Bills hired him as QB coach after the 2000 season. Ideally, I believe he’d favor a power running game with a passing game that is concept-based. You’re not going to out-formation people, you’re going to out-package them, i.e. you’re going to run a lot of plays from one formation or personnel grouping, so if they stop on concept in the play, he will pick on the other two options they’ve left open. I think you’ll see a lot of 11, 12, 20 and 21 personnel with him, depending on how versatile your FB is.


For a reference:

11 personnel = 3 Wide, 1 RB, 1 TE
12 personnel = 2 Wide, 1 RB, 2 TE
20 personnel = 3 Wide, 2 RB, 0 TE
21 personnel = 2 Wide, 2 RB, 1 TE

No more of this multiple formation, mass substitution stuff that we saw under Gary (Tennessee game anyone?). This is about simplification, getting back to fundamentals, and playing good football.

I know looking at his offensive numbers, they aren't exactly awe-inspiring. As fans, we typically can only judge an offensive by it's output (not that that is a wholly bad thing). But there are other factors to consider. R.C. Slocum said Kragthorpe is one of the brightest offensive minds he coached with in 14 years.

This wasn't the sexy hire. But it was about fit, and that's a lot more important. All hands on deck... all ducks in a row. Is it the right hire? Time will tell...

Good read from Rosetta with quotes from Slocum:

LINK
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 10:34 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42518 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:23 am to
Fuente would have been in over his head.
It's one thing to run the table in the Mountain West and in a one game scenario beat a conservative Wisconsin team in the Rose Bowl.

Try calling plays throughout the SEC schedule.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Fuente would have been in over his head.


Perhaps. Inexperience is probably what eliminated him, I'd agree.

But plenty of guys make the leap... Malzahn went from Tulsa to Auburn. Chip Kelly went from new Hampshire to Oregon.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42518 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:27 am to
Yeah but Malzahn was at Ark and got that taste
Kelly was also brought in at Oregon with heavy influence from Belotti I'm sure
Posted by Independent Thinker
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
515 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:28 am to
Great post, Dan. As usual, you come through again.

Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:28 am to
Yeah, I like Fuente and I think he's a bright star. But he does need more experience... he'll get his shot sooner or later to break free from TCU and take the reigns of his own offense (since he's still only CO-OC).
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18755 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:28 am to
quote:

This wasn't the sexy hire. But it was about fit, and that's a lot more important. All hands on deck... all ducks in a row. Is it the right hire? Time will tell...


But but but UF got Weis the tuna



We coulda gotten Leach the pirate

I think it's a very sound move by a very sound coach.

Our biggest downfall has been the qb not knowing what to do. Crucify Les all you want but the qb should know what to do at the end of the half and end of a game.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42518 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 10:31 am to
Could you imagine the Guilbeau article if it would have been Leach.

Also, Slocum was probably the most boring coach ever, so his opinion of Kragthorpe might be a bit off - but look how long A&M took to get back to respectability once Slocum left.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18755 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:06 am to
quote:

Guilbeau


Keeps trying to be Finebaum. He knows how passionate LSU fans are and the most attention he can get is by talking shite.

I'm sure he sits at home thinking he's the only guy that shoots it straight. LOL
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9261 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:32 am to
The one word I have in mind when I hear Kragthorpe's name is "qualified."

Not "genius," "wizard," "gambling," "up-and-coming," "potential," etc...

This is a hire of someone who has a record as an OC. It's a low-risk hire, and honestly, I can't fault LSU for going low-risk.

I really don't see this offense under Kragthorpe having an identity crisis and because of that, I expect better rankings for the unit. It doesn't have to be top 10. Or even top 30, but if we can at least have a top 60 offense, we are right in the mix for championships.

If we have less confusion, better game management and we take care of the football, honestly, I can't see where we can lose very many games.

I'm not even asking for a points explosion. Do those three things, and watch what happens.
Posted by TigerWilson88
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2008
1948 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:41 am to
I just hope he can tell time and can calculate when he doesn't have time to run different personel onto the field with 10 seconds left and the game on the line.
Posted by DEG
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2009
10530 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:57 am to
As long as dude holds holds his players accountable I'll be good to go - QB, O-line and WR's I'm talking to you.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31892 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

QB, O-line and WR's I'm talking to you.



oh fricking phleez! they were drastically improved and capped the year off with a dominating performance. Now, shut up.
Posted by Woverw
Valencia, CA
Member since Nov 2007
1122 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:09 pm to
Good read . . . thanks for the insight and link. Bring it . . .
Posted by DEG
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2009
10530 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

oh fricking phleez! they were drastically improved and capped the year off with a dominating performance. Now, shut up


Dearest Internet pitbull - I didn't say they weren't improved. Just hoping for accountability.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66465 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:14 pm to
I mean the QB just got worse and worse and worse. it was insane. all season i was just like how is JJ this much worse than last year. there is no reason for it. I can't even begin to understand why.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

I really don't see this offense under Kragthorpe having an identity crisis and because of that, I expect better rankings for the unit. It doesn't have to be top 10. Or even top 30, but if we can at least have a top 60 offense, we are right in the mix for championships.

If we have less confusion, better game management and we take care of the football, honestly, I can't see where we can lose very many games.

I'm not even asking for a points explosion. Do those three things, and watch what happens.



Exactly.
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