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re: So encouraging to know that the Tigers will have a real Offense in '17
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:05 pm to JohnnyU
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:05 pm to JohnnyU
Line play will be crucial. If we get the line playing consistently, we will have a chance at being contenders. We have quality skill players and scheme at the college level can cover for mediocre to average qb play. Dominant defense and improved special teams can also shorten the field and help offense. Our talent level at most position are very good. Big question is on o-line
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:13 pm to TxTiger82
You should be concerned about the talent level up front. Not at the skill positions.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Lsu under miles ran out of more formation than 95% of cfb you just don't watch those other programs the way you watch lsu.
Jesus, you just don't let up in your defense of Miles. His offenses were known for predictability, lack of motion, lack of misdirection, etc.
Here's the report from NOLA in yesterday's paper:
"Landry said the scout told him that based on film breakdown, Fournette faced 8-man-plus defenders in the box on 67 percent of his 616 college running attempts. That included 22 percent against 9-plus defenders in the box.
"The average for this many (8-plus) defenders is 31 percent, so the attention placed on Fournette by defenses is unusually strong and reflective of LSU's unimaginative and poor passing attack," Landry wrote. "In essence, due to the offense he played in, Fournette was game planned for twice as much as any other back in the college game, making his productivity that much more impressive."
And you wondered how Fournette barely made it back to the line of scrimmage against mighty Alabama the last two seasons when he averaged 25.5 yards on 13.0 carries?
"I always liked playing LSU because you could just lineup and play them," Alabama defensive end Jonathan Allen told me last December at the ESPN College Football Awards in Atlanta. "They never changed anything."
There were few, if any, formation shifts. A man in motion was a rarity, unless it was an LSU player sprinting to the sideline to avoid the Tigers being penalized for too many men on the field."
I watch plenty of other football. You're deep in denial if you think Miles' cro-magnon offense displayed any variation, creativity, etc. But then again, of course you're in denial. You're just serving up your standard fare. You, like other apologists, give Miles way too much credit. If Skip hadn't pulled him out of Stillwater, he would have been a journeyman coach.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Etling choked vs Bama. The offense was fine between the 20's vs Florida. Red zone woes killed them in that game.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:32 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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5 of the 8 most productive offenses in lsu history are miles coached teams. But hey dont let facts get in the way of you posting.
During Les Miles' tenure, LSU's passing offense was better than the FBS avg only twice: 2006 and 2013. In 2005, it was right about average for the FBS. The FBS ranged from 120 to 128 teams.
How do you define "most productive"?
In terms of total yards (season): 4 of top 8 under LM
In terms of avg yards (season): 3 of top 8 under LM
In terms of most TDs (season): 4 of top 8 under LM
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:40 pm to Bmath
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The offense was fine between the 20's vs Bama. Red zone woes killed them in that game.
You have to be talking about Florida.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:04 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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During Les Miles' tenure, LSU's passing offense was better than the FBS avg only twice: 2006 and 2013. In 2005, it was right about average for the FBS. The FBS ranged from 120 to 128 teams.
Totals are a flawed metric when you're comparing lsu to team that run a lot of plays.
For example in 2013 lsu was 11th in the country in offensive yards per play but we were 105th in plays ran because we are a ball controlled offense. Being 105th in plays ran had far more to follow with our totals in 2013 than the lack of offensive production.
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In terms of total yards (season): 4 of top 8 under LM
In terms of avg yards (season): 3 of top 8 under LM
In terms of most TDs (season): 4 of top 8 under LM
Yards per play is a much more accurate stat to justify production.
Team A= 450 yards on 85 plays
Team B= 440 yards on 60 plays.
Team A would be ranked ahead in offensive yardage but it's clear team B had far more success once the ball was snapped.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:07 pm to Bmath
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Etling choked vs Bama. The offense was fine between the 20's vs Bama. Red zone woes killed them in that game.
What? We had 6 1st downs. The only Bama opponent that had less 1st downs and less points than lsu was Kent State.
Western Kentucky and Chattanooga both had more success moving the ball and Kent state had more total yardage than lsu did.
Lsu also had the lowest yard per play of any bama opponent.
In no way were we fine between the 20's.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:18 pm to JohnnyU
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Jesus, you just don't let up in your defense of Miles. His offenses were known for predictability, lack of motion, lack of misdirection, etc.
So is every single program if you watch them.
No cfb programs runs a huge variety of plays. The coaches only have 20 hours a week to practice on the field.
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Landry said the scout told him that based on film breakdown, Fournette faced 8-man-plus defenders in the box on 67 percent of his 616 college running attempts. That included 22 percent against 9-plus defenders in the box.
Our most used set in 2015 was 3 wr set.
We were a 3 wr set 49% of the time in 2015 and it was our leading set in 10 games.
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And you wondered how Fournette barely made it back to the line of scrimmage against mighty Alabama the last two seasons when he averaged 25.5 yards on 13.0 carries?
He barely made it back to the Los because Bama's front 7 has more players with a 1st rd grade than lsu's entire team.
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There were few, if any, formation shifts
Do you watch other programs?
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watch plenty of other football. You're deep in denial if you think Miles' cro-magnon offense displayed any variation, creativity, etc.
You clearly dont if you think our prostyle offense was anymore predictable than all those spread teams that run about 20 plays.
Those great oregon offenses ran the same exact play 50% of the time.
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But then again, of course you're in denia
Im stating facts. Spread offense and HUNH offenses are far more predictable than any prostyle offense.
Again, Chip Kelly's entire playbook consists of 4 running plays.
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Skip hadn't pulled him out of Stillwater, he would have been a journeyman coach.
And this right here proves you dont watch other programs and don't know shite about Miles' coaching before lsu.
Miles went to an Oklahoma State program that had 1 winning season in the previous 13 years and got them 3 straight winning seasons and having 8 and 9 win seasons.
When Miles got to Oklahoma State they were getting recruiting classes in the 80's & 90's and he brought in multiple top 25 classes.
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You, like other apologists, give Miles way too much credit.
I give the credit he has earned as having one of the best tenures in SEC HISTORY.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
The second part I meant to type Florida and typed Bama instead.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:20 pm to Bmath
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The second part I meant to type Florida and typed Bama instead.
Gotcha. I agree with that.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:32 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Yards per play is a much more accurate stat to justify production.
Going back to 1994...
we average 5.8 YPP
6.9 YPP - 2013
6.7 YPP - 2015 & 2016
6.6 YPP - 2006
BTW, the last time we didn't avg at least 100 YPG rushing was 1999 (82.5 YPG rushing avg).
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:33 am to Fast Times @ LSU
We had some pretty good offenses at lsu under miles. The problem was that when they were bad, they were awful.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 2:24 am to TxTiger82
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Russell, Flynn, Bowe, Davis, Doucet, Addai
Good lord. Way to cherry pick the one short time period with some of the greatest offensive talent ever assembled on one team at LSU.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:29 am to TigerAxeOK
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Maybe the best receiving tight end in the last 20 years at LSU.
Certainly not based on anything we've seen from him on the football field so far while at LSU................ 
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