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re: Showing emotions againts reporters but not during a game
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:36 pm to prplngldtigr
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:36 pm to prplngldtigr
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Not sure why you have this opinion when there has been plenty of evidence to the contrary, but that never stops this a certain faction of this "fan"base.
During games? Let me guess, the Les Clap? Again, there is a difference between real strong emotion and what Les does. He doesn't show strong emotion anymore during games.
As a coach, I saw how emotion was a huge factor in my players approach to the game. If I didn't show enough emotion, at times they didn't get as energized. Watching the Ole Miss game, that's what I saw lacking with LSU, and I've seen it a lot over the last few years.
Hell, simply go back and look at 2012 BCS title game and talk about Les showing emotion.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:39 pm to Geauxgurt
We"ll agree to disagree.
I've seen it plenty , but I'm at every game.
Maybe TV doesn't capture what you're lookin for.
I've seen it plenty , but I'm at every game.
Maybe TV doesn't capture what you're lookin for.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:39 pm to Geauxgurt
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This team hasn't looked as emotionally charged as the previous teams, and that is a fact.
If a team's emotion is based on the coach's sideline emotion, Bear Bryant would've never won a game.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:42 pm to Sal Minella
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If a team's emotion is based on the coach's sideline emotion, Bear Bryant would've never won a game.
That was because Bryant's strength was much deeper than what Miles provides. Miles as a HC needs to lean on his emotion because of his lack of X's and O's.
Miles again was known for getting his players fired up at both OSU and LSU early on. Now, he gets his rocks off looking like a moron going off on reporters.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:43 pm to Geauxgurt
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Geauxgurt
Congratulations. You are the winner. This is the single stupidest thing i've ever read on the Rant when assessing a coaches abilities.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:45 pm to Geauxgurt
I notice the same things.
After a bad play, he doesn't chew arse or do actually do some coaching. Instead, he likes to stare dumbfoundedly at the big screen to look at the replay. My god man, get involved!
After a bad play, he doesn't chew arse or do actually do some coaching. Instead, he likes to stare dumbfoundedly at the big screen to look at the replay. My god man, get involved!
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:48 pm to prplngldtigr
I'd be fine with a cool and calculated Les Miles on the sidelines, but (excuse me while I laugh at what I just typed) that's certainly not the case.
My angle is Les should have 99% of that delegated out to his staff, one of the highest-paid in the country is it not?
The problem is pretty obvious, Les is too proud to do that, and so we suffer from him bumbling around in crunch time trying to make those decisions.
We love you Les, but let the hired help do what you hired them to do. Be tCEO, not a game manager.
God knows, there are better people on his staff to do just that, if only he's let them.
My angle is Les should have 99% of that delegated out to his staff, one of the highest-paid in the country is it not?
The problem is pretty obvious, Les is too proud to do that, and so we suffer from him bumbling around in crunch time trying to make those decisions.
We love you Les, but let the hired help do what you hired them to do. Be tCEO, not a game manager.
God knows, there are better people on his staff to do just that, if only he's let them.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:48 pm to jonboy
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Congratulations. You are the winner. This is the single stupidest thing i've ever read on the Rant when assessing a coaches abilities.
So concerns with a coach that has been known for being a motivator as his key strength not having his team motivated is poor assessment of coaching ability?
Isn't Les' saving grace his ability to recruit with the best of them, yet our defense sucks because of lack of talent and poor recruiting on that side of the ball for 2 years in a row before last year?
Les is never going to be as bad a coach as his detractors make him out to be, but people who act like his record puts him above reproach are just as idiotic.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:49 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:I'd contend that since he's been a coach since 1980, all at a major college and the pros, that you pulled this factoid out of your arse.
Miles as a HC needs to lean on his emotion because of his lack of X's and O's.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:51 pm to Sal Minella
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I'd contend that since he's been a coach since 1980, all at a major college and the pros, that you pulled this factoid out of your arse.
Give me any legitimate qualified person that will claim Les is a very good X's and O's coach? Likely can't find one that isn't on his payroll as an assistant. He's a specific type of coach, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he's a motivator, some leaders are just that. It is a very honorable and tough skill to have, but he's not considered a great football mind for many reasons.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:53 pm to Skin
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I notice the same things. After a bad play, he doesn't chew arse or do actually do some coaching. Instead, he likes to stare dumbfoundedly at the big screen to look at the replay. My god man, get involved!
Showing some damn emotion isn't against the rules.
I'm gonna catch hell for this, but Saban sure as hell doesn't have a problem getting emotional during games, getting in player's faces and such.
Just saying...
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:54 pm to Geauxgurt
You must have me confused as someone who thinks Miles is a great coach. I simply said that you have the used the stupidest metric I've ever seen when assessing a coaches abilities - sideline behavior.
I've literally, never heard anyone mention Les as a "master motivator". You must have him confused with Dale Brown.
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So concerns with a coach that has been known for being a motivator as his key strength not having his team motivated is poor assessment of coaching ability?
I've literally, never heard anyone mention Les as a "master motivator". You must have him confused with Dale Brown.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:55 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:Don't need to...I'll let his resume speak for itself unless you're one of those guys that believes he's the luckiest SOB for 33 years.
Give me any legitimate qualified person that will claim Les is a very good X's and O's coach
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but he's a motivator, some leaders are just that. It is a very honorable and tough skill to have, but he's not considered a great football mind for many reasons.
Did you just refute your own argument that he's not motivating his players?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:02 pm to Geauxgurt
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I've never seen a head coach ever show as little emotion as Miles does now during the game.
John Wooden was the most successful college basketball coach ever. Every game, he sat with a rolled up newspaper and said nothing.
There is no "correct" coaching style. Just good or bad coaches.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:04 pm to jonboy
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You must have me confused as someone who thinks Miles is a great coach. I simply said to you have the used the stupidest metric I've ever seen when assessing a coaches abilities - sideline behavior.
Questioning that he seems to have lost the strong emotion he once showed while at LSU is entirely assessing his coaching ability?
Les is a good recruiter and has done a good job of hiring assistants for the most part. He benefits greatly by being at two schools (OSU and LSU) that have deep pockets for those kinds of things. Gundy had a huge effect on his success at OSU. Miles was a big part as well, and he was known for motivating his team when they were in the underdog role (See his time at OSU) specifically.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:05 pm to tiger4178
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My angle is Les should have 99% of that delegated out to his staff, one of the highest-paid in the country is it not?
The problem is pretty obvious, Les is too proud to do that, and so we suffer from him bumbling around in crunch time trying to make those decisions.
We love you Les, but let the hired help do what you hired them to do. Be tCEO, not a game manager.
God knows, there are better people on his staff to do just that, if only he's let them.
We need to fake a hip injury so he can be like Joe Pa and go up to the booth.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:05 pm to Sal Minella
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Miles as a HC needs to lean on his emotion because of his lack of X's and O's. I'd contend that since he's been a coach since 1980, all at a major college and the pros, that you pulled this factoid out of your arse.
But it's not a matter of Les knowing the X's and O's, it's a matter of transferring that knowledge into timely game-time decisions, which he obviously struggles with.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:07 pm to Sal Minella
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Don't need to...I'll let his resume speak for itself unless you're one of those guys that believes he's the luckiest SOB for 33 years.
Never said he was a bad head coach, but his weaknesses are X's and O's as well as time management. Luck was him getting the LSU job at the right time, not winning all these games. Les surrounds himself with good assistants for the most part as most hires have panned out over the short term.
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Did you just refute your own argument that he's not motivating his players?
He was a motivator in the past much more so than now. His fire was one thing players always talked about and his emotions during games. He simply doesn't do it like he did in past seasons.
My argument is that this team has shown less and less emotion since 1/9/2012 and I think it happened because Les looked like he gave up in that game and hasn't lit a fire under the players. Screaming at reporters doesn't get it done.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:10 pm to akcheat
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John Wooden was the most successful college basketball coach ever. Every game, he sat with a rolled up newspaper and said nothing.
There is no "correct" coaching style. Just good or bad coaches.
Wooden had talent twice or three times as good as any team he played. This isn't the case at LSU and no class Les has ever recruited can touch some of those classes Wooden had at UCLA during their run.
Basketball is also an entirely different game than football, and Wooden wasn't Daddy Dale. He was a very good tactitioner but not the greatest.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:10 pm to Geauxgurt
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Questioning that he seems to have lost the strong emotion he once showed while at LSU is entirely assessing his coaching ability?
Has zip to do with wins and losses.
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he was known for motivating his team when they were in the underdog role (See his time at OSU) specifically.
2 flukes against Oklahoma do not make one a motivator.
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