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re: Showing emotions againts reporters but not during a game
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:13 pm to tiger4178
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:13 pm to tiger4178
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But it's not a matter of Les knowing the X's and O's, it's a matter of transferring that knowledge into timely game-time decisions, which he obviously struggles with.
Such a lack of football knowledge and ability and still amazingly wins at an 80% rate...in the country's toughest conference.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:14 pm to Geauxgurt
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This isn't the case at LSU and no class Les has ever recruited can touch some of those classes Wooden had at UCLA during their run.
That's fair.
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Basketball is also an entirely different game than football, and Wooden wasn't Daddy Dale. He was a very good tactitioner but not the greatest.
Seriously, are you questioning the most successful college basketball coach ever? I know that basketball and football are different, but don't motivational techniques remain similar?
My whole point was that a reserved sideline presence is not an example of per se bad coaching. I used one of the greatest coaches of sports (all of sports) to try to prove that, but apparently that's not good enough.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:20 pm to Sal Minella
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Such a lack of football knowledge and ability and still amazingly wins at an 80% rate...in the country's toughest conference.
I am sure Les has won all of those games on his own. It has nothing to do with the fact that he has been given one of the biggest budgets for assistant coaches in the country. For God's sake, our Running backs coach and lead recruiter is making more than some head coaches. Our TE coach is making $200,000+ for just breathing.
That said, Les is a pretty decent coach, but not near top tier in any way.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:23 pm to akcheat
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Seriously, are you questioning the most successful college basketball coach ever? I know that basketball and football are different, but don't motivational techniques remain similar?
My whole point was that a reserved sideline presence is not an example of per se bad coaching. I used one of the greatest coaches of sports (all of sports) to try to prove that, but apparently that's not good enough.
Any my point is that Les' strength was his ability to get his players to run through walls for him and energized on the field. We haven't seen that to the levels of the past, and I think he struggles to motivate unless he's the underdog. That's why our team will perform poorly against weaker teams and yet can challenge a team like Bama.
In the end, it is who he is. I simply think he's a Mark Richt clone that got lucky one year to get bailed out for his losses.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:24 pm to Geauxgurt
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Showing emotions againts reporters but not during a game
I couldn't give a rat's arse about emotions.
I want W's and I want them against mediocre teams and quality teams. If Les delivered, I wouldn't care if he was Dead Eye Les or Les "Muschamp". I want W's and I want them when they matter the most!!!!
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:24 pm to akcheat
quote:As did I early referencing Bear Bryant. I'd add Tom Landry, Tom Osborne, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Tony Dungy as coaches who showed restraint on the sidelines.
My whole point was that a reserved sideline presence is not an example of per se bad coaching. I used one of the greatest coaches of sports (all of sports) to try to prove that, but apparently that's not good enough.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:26 pm to Sal Minella
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Such a lack of football knowledge and ability and still amazingly wins at an 80% rate...in the country's toughest conference.
Hell, that's just a function of being blessed with some of the best home-grown talent in America.
What's alarming is, as well as LSU has done, is that we're losing games moreso from the sidelines than we are on the field talent.
Alabama and Clemson last year, Georgia and Ole Miss this year...all games LSU was in the mix to win, but failed in all 4 of those games. That's not talent procurement or game planning mistakes, it's simply lack of coaching in the clutch from the top down.
That's what frustrates so many of us LSU fans.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:27 pm to Geauxgurt
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Any my point is that Les' strength was his ability to get his players to run through walls for him and energized on the field.
Yes, but he's never done that through sideline theatrics. That's my point.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:29 pm to Sal Minella
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As did I early referencing Bear Bryant. I'd add Tom Landry, Tom Osborne, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Tony Dungy as coaches who showed restraint on the sidelines.
But that doesn't confirm the insane side of the argument! Those guys just got lucky! Like Les! /s
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:29 pm to Sal Minella
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As did I early referencing Bear Bryant. I'd add Tom Landry, Tom Osborne, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Tony Dungy as coaches who showed restraint on the sidelines.
Ironically, some of the greatest motivators in the history of the sport.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:32 pm to jonboy
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Ironically, some of the greatest motivators in the history of the sport.
The argument is that they motivated through game time reservation, while being hardasses in practice. Like Les. How did you miss that?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:39 pm to Geauxgurt
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It amazes me how little emotion our coaches, particularly Miles show during a game, yet he has no control in his emotion when an analogy is made by a reporter.
I've never seen a head coach ever show as little emotion as Miles does now during the game. Aside from 1 or 2 little yells at a ref, the guy just sits there, watches, and claps.
It's a different sport, but perhaps the greatest basketball coach ever would say "if the general doesn't show panic, then the troops won't panic."
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:39 pm to akcheat
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Yes, but he's never done that through sideline theatrics. That's my point.
There are different ways to motivate. No one has denied that. Les wearing his heart on his sleeve at speaking off the cuff, even during games was his tactic. He's since become more reserved in comparison to his past.
Also, clearly motivation is an issue with this team if they couldn't get up for this game. They showed little energy and support. Against Bama in 2012 BCS game and against Clemson they were motivated briefly and then done.
If you can't see the difference between Miles' demeanor in games now as compared to his first few seasons here, then you are blind.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:41 pm to MrWiseGuy
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It's a different sport, but perhaps the greatest basketball coach ever would say "if the general doesn't show panic, then the troops won't panic
And if the troops become unmotivated, he'll just not "panic" and they'll magically become motivated, right?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:43 pm to Geauxgurt
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I am sure Les has won all of those games on his own. It has nothing to do with the fact that he has been given one of the biggest budgets for assistant coaches in the country. For God's sake, our Running backs coach and lead recruiter is making more than some head coaches. Our TE coach is making $200,000+ for just breathing.
Oh, so Les is the only coach who has a coaching staff?
For God's sake, Kirk Ferentz Iowa staff is paid more than LSU's and hasn't won the conference since 2004 when ironically he beat Saban in the Cap 1. They went 4-8 last year and probably headed for a similar record this year.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:44 pm to Geauxgurt
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And if the troops become unmotivated, he'll just not "panic" and they'll magically become motivated, right?
You're right. Let's all throw temper tantrums.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:49 pm to Geauxgurt
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It amazes me how little emotion our coaches, particularly Miles show during a game, yet he has no control in his emotion when an analogy is made by a reporter.
What was your take on the "we told the players to raise their hands all the way up" .
That was in response to an observation a reporter made about the number of passes batted down in the Florida game.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:52 pm to tigress77
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What was your take on the "we told the players to raise their hands all the way up" .
That was in response to an observation a reporter made about the number of passes batted down in the Florida game.
There are stupid questions from reporters. It happens, but again, Les simply looks like a fool to most non-homers because that's what he sounds like in his rants. It doesn't motivate anyone.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:54 pm to MrWiseGuy
Les Miles is the right man for the LSU job. I don't think any of us would dispute that.
But his boss, Joe A, needs to step in with some forceful constructive criticism. Just the obvious stuff, turn over late game situations to your staff, etc...the obvious stuff a boss would relay to his subordinate. Nothing major, may hurt Les's ego a tad but he'll need to get over it and continue to do all the other wonderful things he does as HC of LSU.
All of this is so fixable.
But his boss, Joe A, needs to step in with some forceful constructive criticism. Just the obvious stuff, turn over late game situations to your staff, etc...the obvious stuff a boss would relay to his subordinate. Nothing major, may hurt Les's ego a tad but he'll need to get over it and continue to do all the other wonderful things he does as HC of LSU.
All of this is so fixable.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:55 pm to Sal Minella
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Oh, so Les is the only coach who has a coaching staff?
For God's sake, Kirk Ferentz Iowa staff is paid more than LSU's and hasn't won the conference since 2004 when ironically he beat Saban in the Cap 1. They went 4-8 last year and probably headed for a similar record this year.
No, but to act like he is entirely responsible for LSU's success the past 8 years and ignoring the gift of a situation he was given isn't either.
Comparing Ferentz and his staff shows how little about the overall situations you look. Are you comparing Iowa and Midwest talent to Louisiana and the South's? Really? Ferentz is overrated too, but two entirely different situations.
Of course though, you can only bring up the argument of another coach having lots of money for assistants and ignore the lack of local talent they have to pick from.
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