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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:20 pm to
Great athlete. Does not have the cognitive ability to process info fast enough at this level.
Posted by Antib551
Houma, LA
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:23 pm to
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He could have thrown 86 open as well.



Yep, over the top and too the boundary.




There's only 9 guys shown. 2 offscreen. They have safety help over the top. 86 is covered. Same thing on the other side I bet, which is why JD isnt even looking at Jaray. A throw to 10 is a high probability of a pick 6. That corner will play the ball knowing he has help over top, thats why he is giving the cushion in his zone.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20032 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:24 pm to
Ball should have been out of hands by the time of the screenshot to one of the 4 guys open.

He has to trust his arm. Coach says he has to take chances, but he really needs to just start attempting anticipatory throws since all of those guys except maybe Williams (looks like an outlet) would be expecting the ball on its way by the time they make their break.

I really like Jayden and think he may even be able to be a superstar if he can cross that barrier. However, it really makes you wonder how he was named the starter…Kelly said the guy that wins the QB job needs to be able to get the ball to the playmakers when it is clearly JDs biggest weakness. Actually it doesn’t make you wonder, but we know now it was a foregone conclusion Jayden would be the QB when he was recruited, contrary to what the coach has said about what he is looking for publicly.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:30 pm to
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There's only 9 guys shown. 2 offscreen. They have safety help over the top. 86 is covered. Same thing on the other side I bet, which is why JD isnt even looking at Jaray. A throw to 10 is a high probability of a pick 6. That corner will play the ball knowing he has help over top, thats why he is giving the cushion in his zone.


Both safeties were backing up on the other side of half field before the camera lost them. Neither would have been a factor in any of the routes.
Posted by thatsnotmydog
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:38 pm to
Is the quick kick still a thing? Should we use it on 3rd and long?
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
4263 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:38 pm to
He must not be sure of the routes each receiver is going to be running on any given pass play. That is called trusting your receivers, which JD clearly does not. IF he did, he would throw the ball where the receiver is going to be, and not wait and see if he is where he is supposed to be. This is HS football stuff, and JD has proven to just about everyone but BK that he doesn't see it, or trust it. It would be a real miracle if he somehow had a light go on this week and we beat Tenn.
Posted by mtnhighTiger
Scottsdale, AZ
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:38 pm to
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Can we do the film review for the 3rd down play next? Man coverage & no wr’s open so he made the right decision to use his legs.



If he would have made the correct call on first down...he wouldn't need to run on third down.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:40 pm to
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hrow it to Malik, take the easy 4-5 yards and set up 2nd and 5. Having said that, when Josh Williams as the "checkdown" is only 1-2 yards shallower than 3 receivers in the pattern, that's not a great idea either


That play is designed to be a quick pass. It’s got quick outs, hooks and hitches all over it. It is called to take advantage of zones which Auburn was clearly in.

I don’t mean to pile it on the kid but he has to pick someone to throw it to at the snap. The routes aren’t designed for the QB to read once he sees the coverage.

For instance Jenkins’ route you would never throw to once you see that he is open, it’s a long arse throw across the field with the defense able to use the sideline as a defender. The only benefit of that route is to get it to him while the defender is going to his zone. It’s essentially a run play in that regard, a body punch. You wait to throw and it’s an easy interception.

Boutte (I think that is him) appears to have been open as well. Inside his defender sitting in the throwing lane. You don’t throw that one either once he is there, because it is guaranteed to be defended. But if you see the defender is playing behind him you throw it because that guaranteed defender is now challenging a ball carrier rather than a ball in the air.

I know it’s one play but it’s clearly the offensive problem - we are calling plays that the QB is unwilling to execute. It’s a matter of trust in himself and his WRs and has to get better.
Posted by Tzanghi
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:41 pm to
Click the link to the video then lol.
Posted by adambomb
Member since Dec 2014
1462 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:45 pm to
He sucks really badly
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
54665 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:49 pm to
From that pic the football should already be out and btw there are 3 open receivers. Jaden isn't even close to releasing the ball. Now you understand why we can't get a passing game going.
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
3640 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:53 pm to
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Actually, 8 and 10 are open but the problem is he should be already in his throwing motion (or already thrown) to them. Now that they are through their breaks, the coverage can see and break on the ball now. He is not anticipating the break and the open window


This
The biggest advantage the offense has is it knows the play. You hold on to the ball too long and you lose that advantage.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14486 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:56 pm to
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He's got 3 options open there.


Nabers is the easy choice in this case because he is wide open and right in Daniels view. The issue with daniels is when the first guy is covered after he looks directly at him he tucks it and runs. He probably would not even see the two other options that are open. He did the same thing at ASU for 3 years. Can he be able to get to 2nd option that is open? Guy has been in college ball for 4 seasons and cant even get to 2nd option before taking off. Please Kelly work a miracle we going to need it for rest of SEC schedule.
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
54665 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:57 pm to
yep with elite receivers you have the advantage with great route running and separation but that becomes obsolete if the qb doesn't release the ball with the timing routes.
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
54665 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:57 pm to
trust the ALIGNMENT
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 3:02 pm to
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The safest throw is to Nabers. Terrible decision to tuck and run.


Best throw is to the HB at the bottom of the screen

DB #36 was frozen and cheating towards Nabers

Williams would have had 1 guy to shake and a long gain.

You have to trust your playmakers to make plays.
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted by PapaG01
Member since Nov 2021
184 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 3:11 pm to
Nuss would’ve hit Nabers…
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14486 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 3:18 pm to
If Daniels does nothing against Tenn passing the ball its time to make the change. If he shows that he can pass then there is hope for him and our season. It doesnt get any easier after Tenn so this game for Daniels could be his make or break game. Lets hope its a make.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8288 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 3:24 pm to
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he should be hitting Nabers here (as in ball should already be hitting Malik in the 8 right about this point):


If you want to pick nits about the route tree, it would have been more effective to have Lacey (I believe that is him on the upper hash) to run a clearing pattern, leaving Nabors to continue a shallow drag across the middle and be able to receive the ball for YAC. This was a staple of the '19 offense. This works only of course if Auburn is in man (which they are) and they didnt disguise that pre-snap. Without knowing the offense, Lacey may have indeed been assigned an option route, and should have done exactly that.

Regardless, Nabors is the obvious option here once he sits down.







Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118956 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 3:47 pm to
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What did they do in Cali this summer?



Obviously not working on routes with is WRs.

He just needs to draw up a play in the damn dirt. Tell KB, MN, or JB I will throw the ball just before your cut so expect the ball.

This really is junior high QBing. Hell, it's little league QBing.

I mean we have one QB that takes zero chances because he has zero chemistry and anticipation with his WRs and another QB who has a nice strong arm but is totally erratic.
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