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re: SEC Expansion
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:48 pm to seinfeldtiger
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:48 pm to seinfeldtiger
Big 12 ain't going anywhere IMO. All these big conferences will handle pick some smaller schools to fill up with. If anything, Big East disolves.
SEC - schools like Houston, Rice, TCU, Sou. Miss
Big 12 - same as SEC, LA Tech
Pac 10 - Utah, Boise, Fresno,maybe Colorado
Big 10 - dunno who's up there...
ACC - will scoop up more Big East teams
SEC - schools like Houston, Rice, TCU, Sou. Miss
Big 12 - same as SEC, LA Tech
Pac 10 - Utah, Boise, Fresno,maybe Colorado
Big 10 - dunno who's up there...
ACC - will scoop up more Big East teams
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:58 pm to Suntiger
quote:No, but if they were to leave the Big 12 I think it would be to the Big Ten for many reasons including an additional 15 million per year in TV revenue, millions more per year in research money for the academic side and more academic prestige. I realize Texas is the most profitable athletic department in the NCAA but moving to the Big Ten would only increase that... And I don't think they will go anywhere but if they do move, I think it would be Bit Ten before SEC.
Do you seriously think Texas is hurting for money? As goes Texas, so goes the Big XII IMO. If UT bolts, then the Big XII might fold, however I just don't see it happening.
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 4:05 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
No, but if they were to leave the Big 12 I think it would be to the Big Ten for many reasons including an additional 15 million per year in TV revenue, millions more per year in research money for the academic side and more academic prestige. I realize Texas is the most profitable athletic department in the NCAA but moving to the Big Ten would only increase that
Exactly...being in Dallas/St.Louis/Chicago/Detroit/Milwaukee areas for texas means millions for tv revenue...Oklahoma and texas would be crazy not to jump ship and brand out..
Posted on 4/22/10 at 4:19 pm to seinfeldtiger
I think it plays out like this
Mizzou, Pitt, Syracuse, and more than likely UCONN to Big East.
Big Twelve picks up TCU and maybe Houston if Colorado jumps ship.
Not sure who the sec targets but it will not be four powerhouses.or Memphis or Southern Miss. Most likely canditates. Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Florida, Florida State, Miami, and as crazy as it may sound Cinci.
Mizzou, Pitt, Syracuse, and more than likely UCONN to Big East.
Big Twelve picks up TCU and maybe Houston if Colorado jumps ship.
Not sure who the sec targets but it will not be four powerhouses.or Memphis or Southern Miss. Most likely canditates. Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Florida, Florida State, Miami, and as crazy as it may sound Cinci.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 5:11 pm to XbengalTiger
I would love to see the Horns go to the SEC, but the academic argument will not go away. If Texas goes anywhere, I see them going to the PAC 10.
I would like to see the most profitable program in the country pull a Notre Dame and claim its independence from any conference.
Keep OU and a&m as permanent opponents.
I would like to see the most profitable program in the country pull a Notre Dame and claim its independence from any conference.
Keep OU and a&m as permanent opponents.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 7:18 pm to iHorn
as i said in the another thread:
Texas will not join the SEC...
There is only one conference where our AD said on record we will never ever join. want to guess which one that was?
Our faculty is already pissed about the lousy academics in the big 12. They would go ballistic if we join the SEC.
Texas will not join the SEC...
There is only one conference where our AD said on record we will never ever join. want to guess which one that was?
Our faculty is already pissed about the lousy academics in the big 12. They would go ballistic if we join the SEC.
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 9:42 pm to CoonassatTEXAS
Here's what I think is really going on in Big-10 country. Delaney wants Notre Dame. If the Big East dissolves, Notre Dame would almost be forced into the Big-10.
Apart from the big boys, the Big-12 is not stable. The smaller programs (i.e. everyone but UT and OU) are not making the $$$ because bowl money is not shared the way it is in the SEC. The Big-10 expansion will force Pac-10 expansion, and the Pac-10 will cut into the Big-12, and they will do it in such a way as to force it to dissolve, allowing them to get UT and A&M. The leftovers of the Big East and Big-12 will then join the SEC and ACC.
1. Big-10 adds Rutgers, UConn and Syracuse
2. Big East Dissolves
3. Big-10 adds Notre Dame and Missouri
(*the Big-10 is now done and renames itself the Big-10 plus 6 weasels*)
4. Pac-10 adds Utah, Colorado, TCU and Baylor
(*note the Big-12 has lost 3 schools and the most likely replacement school in TCU, and is faced with the realization that without adding 7 schools to reach 16 they won't be relevant*)
5. Pac-10 adds UT and A&M
6. Big-12 Dissolves
7. SEC adds OU, Nebraska, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State
8. ACC adds Pitt, WV, Louisville, and Cincinnati
9. Kansas, Kansas State, BYU, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, and Wyoming join the WAC.
(*creating a fifth 16 team conference and throwing a wrench into the works)
10. 8 FCS teams jump into Div I-A and the smaller conferences realign into 3 more 16 team conferences.
11. An ugly meeting takes place, where the small conferences push for an 8 team playoff. The 4 super conferences push for a 4 team playoff (completely ignoring the smaller conferences). A compromise is reached on a 12 team playoff, where the 4 super conference winners get a "bye" in the first round and the smaller conferences play in the opening round against 4 at-large selections (one from each super conference).
EDIT:
Deals are made with the Cotton, Capital One, Chick-Fil-A, and Holiday Bowls to host the first round of the playoffs.
Deals are made with the Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta to host the second round of the playoffs.
The final three game sites are determined by bid to maximize profits.
Apart from the big boys, the Big-12 is not stable. The smaller programs (i.e. everyone but UT and OU) are not making the $$$ because bowl money is not shared the way it is in the SEC. The Big-10 expansion will force Pac-10 expansion, and the Pac-10 will cut into the Big-12, and they will do it in such a way as to force it to dissolve, allowing them to get UT and A&M. The leftovers of the Big East and Big-12 will then join the SEC and ACC.
1. Big-10 adds Rutgers, UConn and Syracuse
2. Big East Dissolves
3. Big-10 adds Notre Dame and Missouri
(*the Big-10 is now done and renames itself the Big-10 plus 6 weasels*)
4. Pac-10 adds Utah, Colorado, TCU and Baylor
(*note the Big-12 has lost 3 schools and the most likely replacement school in TCU, and is faced with the realization that without adding 7 schools to reach 16 they won't be relevant*)
5. Pac-10 adds UT and A&M
6. Big-12 Dissolves
7. SEC adds OU, Nebraska, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State
8. ACC adds Pitt, WV, Louisville, and Cincinnati
9. Kansas, Kansas State, BYU, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, and Wyoming join the WAC.
(*creating a fifth 16 team conference and throwing a wrench into the works)
10. 8 FCS teams jump into Div I-A and the smaller conferences realign into 3 more 16 team conferences.
11. An ugly meeting takes place, where the small conferences push for an 8 team playoff. The 4 super conferences push for a 4 team playoff (completely ignoring the smaller conferences). A compromise is reached on a 12 team playoff, where the 4 super conference winners get a "bye" in the first round and the smaller conferences play in the opening round against 4 at-large selections (one from each super conference).
EDIT:
Deals are made with the Cotton, Capital One, Chick-Fil-A, and Holiday Bowls to host the first round of the playoffs.
Deals are made with the Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta to host the second round of the playoffs.
The final three game sites are determined by bid to maximize profits.
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 10:21 pm to XbengalTiger
Eff! No prayer of ever seeing Atlanta now!
Posted on 4/23/10 at 5:26 am to Louisianimal83
I'M ALL FOR MORE GAMES!!!! PER YEAR OF COURSE
Posted on 4/23/10 at 8:45 am to Lee Chatelain
quote:
LSU, would have a better opportunity to win the National Champ. with a playoff system.
LSU is in a perfect spot now; win all your games and you are in. The same can't be said for other teams.
Posted on 4/23/10 at 9:05 am to DocBugbear
quote:
If the Big East dissolves, Notre Dame would almost be forced into the Big-10.
What does the Big East have to do with Notre Dame? They play basketball in the Big East, but even if Rutgers, UCON and Syracuse left, ND could stay in a basketball conf with:
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Villanova
Marquette
Louisville
Notre Dame
Georgetown
USF
Seton Hall
Cincinnati
St. John's
Providence
DePaul
Posted on 4/23/10 at 10:23 am to Suntiger
That would leave only 5 football teams in the Big East, not enough to sustain a BCS conference when there will be 16-team conferences out there. The Big East might continue to exist as a basketball conference.
Posted on 4/23/10 at 10:32 am to subterraneanjack
quote:
That would leave only 5 football teams in the Big East, not enough to sustain a BCS conference when there will be 16-team conferences out there. The Big East might continue to exist as a basketball conference.
That's what I'm saying. The Big East would no longer be a BCS conference for football, but would remain a basketball conference and Notre Dame would stay independent and hoard it's millions of dollars.
Posted on 4/23/10 at 11:04 am to Suntiger
The Big East can't sustain itself as a basketball conference. Do you think West Virginia, Cincinnati, etc. are just going to quit playing football? No... All the football schools will go find a conference for football and leave the Big East. Once all the football schools are gone, so is the Big East.
Posted on 4/23/10 at 11:10 am to DocBugbear
quote:
West Virginia, Cincinnati, etc. are just going to quit playing football?
No, they would joint Conf-USA, Big 11, ACC or the MAC.
quote:
Once all the football schools are gone, so is the Big East.
Not so fast!!!
Signed,
America East Conference
Atlantic 10 Conference
Atlantic Coast Conference
Atlantic Sun Conference
Big South Conference
Big Sky Conference
Big West Conference
Colonial Athletic Association
Great West Conference
Horizon League
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
Missouri Valley Conference
Northeast Conference
Ohio Valley Conference
Patriot League
The Summit League
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
Posted on 4/23/10 at 11:38 am to Suntiger
What we have learned over the years in all this talk is that a playoff or something resembling a playoff in CF will have two elements in it:
1. The bowl system will remain and will remain as producing a National Champ or the 2 teams that would play for the NC
2. The selections for 4, 6, 8 teams to move onto a "tournament" will be produced through the Conferences.
That said, the only logical conclusion we can make is that the 4 super conferences with 16 teams each makes some sense. The four conference winners would go play-off in two rotating bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar) to produce the two NC teams to play a week later.
The Bleacher Report is intriguing to me. That one has Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. joining the SEC for one of the 4 super conferences.
If that would happen, the alignhment would be:
WEST
Texas
Texas A & M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St.
EAST
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
For those who are throwing out Rice, and Troy, and other mid-majors as joining a power conference I think it unlikely because the push seems to be to get the 6 currently existing conferences plus maybe a hanful of Boise's and Notre Dame, etc. to form that 64 team pool.
1. The bowl system will remain and will remain as producing a National Champ or the 2 teams that would play for the NC
2. The selections for 4, 6, 8 teams to move onto a "tournament" will be produced through the Conferences.
That said, the only logical conclusion we can make is that the 4 super conferences with 16 teams each makes some sense. The four conference winners would go play-off in two rotating bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar) to produce the two NC teams to play a week later.
The Bleacher Report is intriguing to me. That one has Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. joining the SEC for one of the 4 super conferences.
If that would happen, the alignhment would be:
WEST
Texas
Texas A & M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss St.
EAST
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
For those who are throwing out Rice, and Troy, and other mid-majors as joining a power conference I think it unlikely because the push seems to be to get the 6 currently existing conferences plus maybe a hanful of Boise's and Notre Dame, etc. to form that 64 team pool.
Posted on 4/23/10 at 11:56 am to souldog
quote:
The Bleacher Report is intriguing to me.
stuff on the Bleacher report equals posts on the Rant.... someone's opinion and often an irrational one
Posted on 4/23/10 at 11:58 am to molsusports
You might be right, but it's still intriguing.
Posted on 4/23/10 at 12:11 pm to XbengalTiger
I've thought about this stuff a lot. Basically, you'd have to have four permanent opponents to preserve the rivalries that mean a lot. Rotate the other four games. No divisions--top two teams duke it out in Atlanta.
Alabama AU TN MSU LSU
Arkansas LSU OM KY VU
Auburn AL GA FL MSU
Florida FSU MIA AU GA
Georgia GT AU FL SC
Kentucky TN VU AR SC
Louisiana State AR MSU OM AL
Mississippi MSU AR LSU VU
Mississippi State OM LSU AL AU
South Carolina CU GA KY TN
Tennessee KY VU AL SC
Vanderbilt TN KY OM AR
Clemson SC GT FSU MIA
Georgia Tech GA CU MIA FSU
Florida State FL MIA CU GT
Miami FSU FL CU GT
Alabama AU TN MSU LSU
Arkansas LSU OM KY VU
Auburn AL GA FL MSU
Florida FSU MIA AU GA
Georgia GT AU FL SC
Kentucky TN VU AR SC
Louisiana State AR MSU OM AL
Mississippi MSU AR LSU VU
Mississippi State OM LSU AL AU
South Carolina CU GA KY TN
Tennessee KY VU AL SC
Vanderbilt TN KY OM AR
Clemson SC GT FSU MIA
Georgia Tech GA CU MIA FSU
Florida State FL MIA CU GT
Miami FSU FL CU GT
Posted on 4/23/10 at 12:46 pm to xiv
While the Big 10 is a perfect fit academically for Texas, do you really think the big Texas alums want to travel to Michigan, Wisconsin, Minn., Columbus Ohio etc for football games in nov and dec? I doubt the big money alums will stand for it.
I agree Texas will not join the SEC as is for academics. However, the SEC may be willing to do away with prop athletes(all other BCS conferences do not allow props) to get Texas. That was the price OU and the Huskers pais to get Texas to join the Big 12.
If the SEC will not budge an inch, and the big 10 and sec go to 16 teams, Texas would reluctantly go to the Pac 10 with colo. That is my guess.
I agree Texas will not join the SEC as is for academics. However, the SEC may be willing to do away with prop athletes(all other BCS conferences do not allow props) to get Texas. That was the price OU and the Huskers pais to get Texas to join the Big 12.
If the SEC will not budge an inch, and the big 10 and sec go to 16 teams, Texas would reluctantly go to the Pac 10 with colo. That is my guess.
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