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re: Say what you want. O line was manhandled.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:37 am to St Augustine
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:37 am to St Augustine
quote:So, coaching was not to blame in any way? We steam role three teams, break records, and we do worse than Kent State against Bama?
A fired up Bama d line is going to trump a fired up lsu o line 7 days out of 7 as they are currently constructed. That's where we are right now in terms of talent in those spots.
They had an answer for us. We got out coached. They had enough film to study from the past few weeks and we couldn't adjust. Of course I don't expect us to have the same success against them. I understand that our oline is not great, but the worst performance of the year? You think a better OC could not have done more?
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Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:39 am to abellsujr
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Ole Miss and Arkansas did pretty well. All of the teams they've played have done better than us.
What is your definition of well? did't the Ole Miss offense give Bama 14 points? Didn't that contribute to their loss? i believe arkansas did too. Both got their arse whipped. so what is your point, it's ok to get yards, turn the ball over, and lose? That's better than losing the way we are? That's better coaching?
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And we did the worst against them
And bama/ole miss did the worst against us. so is kiffin/bama on par with southern miss? they both got a touchdown. That's how stupid that argument is. didn't we handle Ole miss?
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:40 am to dos crystal
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Say what you want. O line was manhandled.
When this is the case, you have to do things to change the outcome.
The LSU OL is often too polite, IMO. You need to run blocking schemes that ensure the 'Bama DL gets a little beat up over the course of the game.
Nothing dirty or illegal, just make sure you're constantly getting hits on their DL to slow them down over the course of the game.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:44 am to abellsujr
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They had an answer for us. We got out coached. They had enough film to study from the past few weeks and we couldn't adjust. Of course I don't expect us to have the same success against them. I understand that our oline is not great, but the worst performance of the year? You think a better OC could not have done more?
didn't bama have their worst offensive performance of the year against lsu? it works both ways.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:51 am to dos crystal
quote:On offense, yes. Is it good coaching to produce 125 yards and no points?
That's better coaching?
Nobody is arguing that Bama is not great. They are. They're the best team in the country. That's a fact. It's also a fact that other teams did better against them offensively.
quote:Of course not. This is just twisting the context in your favor. Bama did have almost 100 more yards than Southern Miss though. They were fired up and so were we. We had zero offense to speak of.
And bama/ole miss did the worst against us. so is kiffin/bama on par with southern miss?
The point is, a better OC would have done better. We have a great defense and Bama got double our yards. There's no excuse for 125 yards. I don't care how bad our oline is.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:53 am to abellsujr
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They had an answer for us. We got out coached. They had enough film to study from the past few weeks and we couldn't adjust. Of course I don't expect us to have the same success against them. I understand that our oline is not great, but the worst performance of the year? You think a better OC could not have done more?
This. FSU fans never stop bitching about the O line performance but they still put up a lot of points.
Miles was fired because he was unwilling or unable to update his offensive philosophy. That was the purpose of the firing, to change the approach.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:55 am to dos crystal
quote:They had double our yardage. We have a great defense, but they came through in the end. Most of their yardage was in the second half. Most of ours was in the first.
didn't bama have their worst offensive performance of the year against lsu? it works both ways.
They adjusted, we didn't. They have better coaching. Just because we have bad offensive line doesn't mean they also don't have better coaching. Both were factors period.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:59 am to molsusports
OLINE folds against Bama once again. OLINE coaching a big issue. The O game plan was exactly what Les would have run. Etling's opportunities were few, and not surprisingly he missed on those he had from the rattling the Bama DLine gave him.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 8:10 am to abellsujr
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Bama did have almost 100 more yards than Southern Miss though.
What an accomplishment. All that talent and all they can muster is "almost" a 100 more yards than southern miss.
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That's a fact. It's also a fact that other teams did better against them offensively.
it's a fact other teams did better against lsu defense than Bama did. However, you are not saying how poorly coached Bama was? Considering LSU had 125 yard offense, Bama should have done much better having the ball that many times and that much longer. Why did they do so poorly? had to be coaching.
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better OC would have done better. We have a great defense and Bama got double our yards. There's no excuse for 125 yards. I don't care how bad our oline is.
I can agree with this point. However, you think Ogeron has the O.C. he wants? He had to use a make shift offensive staff, a scheme that was already in place, and less talented team on the offensive side of the ball (qb and line) to try and compete with the best defense in the land. Somehow, considering he had one hand tied, he was suppose to perform better. I think that is unfair situation to place blame on. If anything, It justifies why miles was fired. He did a poor Job recruiting ab's, a poor job in hiring and recruiting the line.
At the end of the day in 2011, there was no one on par with lsu and Bama. However, the teams could only muster a 9-6 game. It's how close they are. Almost every time they play it's low scoring.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 8:17 am to abellsujr
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They have better coaching. Just because we have bad offensive line doesn't mean they also don't have better coaching. Both were factors period.
Do you think if Bama had our oline and qb they would have had double the yardage as lsu? They still would have got 10 points? you think D.E. could have scored on the qb draw? he could have got a first down on a qb draw? So you are saying if we had Hurts and Bama's line we would have been shut out?
Gotcha, talent has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 8:32 am to dos crystal
quote:It sounds like you want the coordinators to do all the work for O. I'll pass. I would rather have a good coach. It sounds like you want to give O credit for everything good and blame something else on everything bad.
I can agree with this point. However, you think Ogeron has the O.C. he wants? He had to use a make shift offensive staff, a scheme that was already in place, and less talented team on the offensive side of the ball (qb and line) to try and compete with the best defense in the land. Somehow, considering he had one hand tied, he was suppose to perform better. I think that is unfair situation to place blame on. If anything, It justifies why miles was fired. He did a poor Job recruiting ab's, a poor job in hiring and recruiting the line.
It also sounds like you want to have a coach who doesn't actually coach anything. He's just a motivational speaker. He relies on coordinators to do all the heavy lifting and blame when something goes wrong. They'll also be here for three years or less.
Give me a coach who could can actually run things on his own if need be. Someone who trains coordinators, not the other way around. Someone who wouldn't miss a beat if their coordinator left. O has not exactly had a very successful defense without Aranda. I would hate for Aranda to leave and we be stuck to look for another genius.
I'll pass on O for sure.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 8:40 am to dos crystal
quote:Holy hypotheticals Batman!
Do you think if Bama had our oline and qb they would have had double the yardage as lsu? They still would have got 10 points? you think D.E. could have scored on the qb draw? he could have got a first down on a qb draw? So you are saying if we had Hurts and Bama's line we would have been shut out?
Gotcha, talent has nothing to do with it.
I think they would have found strengths and found a way to win. Like they've done for 5 years in a row. It still would have been a close game.
Our teams are actually pretty similar in talent. Some said we had more talent at the beginning of the year. We both pretty much did the same thing to Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 8:51 am to abellsujr
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It sounds like you want the coordinators to do all the work for O. I'll pass. I would rather have a good coach. It sounds like you want to give O credit for everything good and blame something else on everything bad.
It also sounds like you want to have a coach who doesn't actually coach anything. He's just a motivational speaker. He relies on coordinators to do all the heavy lifting and blame when something goes wrong. They'll also be here for three years or less.
Give me a coach who could can actually run things on his own if need be. Someone who trains coordinators, not the other way around. Someone who wouldn't miss a beat if their coordinator left. O has not exactly had a very successful defense without Aranda. I would hate for Aranda to leave and we be stuck to look for another genius.
I never said I want O, I'm just not against him. Just because I can see the issue with last nights game is Bama being a more talented team than us, thus, they win, somehow I'm an O supporter. I think if lsu goes a different direction, we need a guy who is going to bust it on the recruiting trail. I like fleck, he's the only one that has built a program from scratch through busting his arse.
It's pretty ignorant to statements to say O doesn't coach anything, just a motivational speaker, etc. he's probably forgotten more football than you will ever know. It appears you are just a guy that will bash O no matter what happens. looking for any opportunity to pounce on him. Whether it's warranted or not. There is no shame in how lsu played last night. They took it to bama as well as anyone has in 22 games. To bash a coach for losing to bama is stupid. Who's the guy that is beating them?
I don't care who the next coach is. I want one that can recruit lights out. If last night showed anything, you need better talent on the offensive side of the ball if you are going to compete with bama. I'm concerned everyone is so obsessed with getting some offensive guy that you create other issues by not paying attention to recruiting or defense.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 9:17 am to dos crystal
I do have some issues with jumping the gun and hiring O.
The only thing he has ever proven is that he can recruit and motivate. And he can. He's one of the best recruiters in the country. I would never question that.
But as a HC, he's only beaten two ranked teams in his entire career. One of which was Ole Miss this year who is no longer ranked. Most of the teams he's beaten have losing records.
He was his own DC at Ole Miss and completely failed (I'm not saying he's not more knowledgeable now, just saying he's yet to prove it). He's never had a really good defense until this year with a genius DC.
He's given all of this credit for changing the offense and killing it for three weeks and now he's gets none of the blame for the failure because he "doesn't have an oline" or "the OC he wants".
I guess I just don't see the appeal. Anyone can hire an elite coordinator. Hell, or administration hired Aranda. Why have a guy who has proven nothing? Why not bring in a guy who has proven something. Anything. I can name a reason why I like most of the candidates as HC, but I can't find any reason why O should get our HC job. He's a great guy, he's just done nothing as a HC.
The only thing he has ever proven is that he can recruit and motivate. And he can. He's one of the best recruiters in the country. I would never question that.
But as a HC, he's only beaten two ranked teams in his entire career. One of which was Ole Miss this year who is no longer ranked. Most of the teams he's beaten have losing records.
He was his own DC at Ole Miss and completely failed (I'm not saying he's not more knowledgeable now, just saying he's yet to prove it). He's never had a really good defense until this year with a genius DC.
He's given all of this credit for changing the offense and killing it for three weeks and now he's gets none of the blame for the failure because he "doesn't have an oline" or "the OC he wants".
I guess I just don't see the appeal. Anyone can hire an elite coordinator. Hell, or administration hired Aranda. Why have a guy who has proven nothing? Why not bring in a guy who has proven something. Anything. I can name a reason why I like most of the candidates as HC, but I can't find any reason why O should get our HC job. He's a great guy, he's just done nothing as a HC.
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 9:20 am
Posted on 11/6/16 at 9:50 am to dos crystal
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Alabama had two weeks to prepare
Nick Saban only had 3 games of film to watch for O and Ensminger. They also had two weeks to figure out some wrinkles to put in that playbook. They didn't scheme well enough to score a SINGLE POINT. Yeah we may have lost because of qb play and o line domination but not scoring a single point is just bad offensive scheming.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:03 am to abellsujr
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I do have some issues with jumping the gun and hiring O.
The only thing he has ever proven is that he can recruit and motivate. And he can. He's one of the best recruiters in the country. I would never question that.
But as a HC, he's only beaten two ranked teams in his entire career. One of which was Ole Miss this year who is no longer ranked. Most of the teams he's beaten have losing records.
He was his own DC at Ole Miss and completely failed (I'm not saying he's not more knowledgeable now, just saying he's yet to prove it). He's never had a really good defense until this year with a genius DC.
He's given all of this credit for changing the offense and killing it for three weeks and now he's gets none of the blame for the failure because he "doesn't have an oline" or "the OC he wants".
I guess I just don't see the appeal. Anyone can hire an elite coordinator. Hell, or administration hired Aranda. Why have a guy who has proven nothing? Why not bring in a guy who has proven something. Anything. I can name a reason why I like most of the candidates as HC, but I can't find any reason why O should get our HC job. He's a great guy, he's just done nothing as a HC.
The argument for O is that he becomes LSU's Dabo Sweeney. A guy who sits at the top. Recruits, promotes, motivates and delegates. O can certainly recruit and no matter who the coach is, if LSU doesn't have the talent, they aren't going to do much on the field. Plus, I think O probably gives you the best chance of keeping the staff together (for the most part). I think most LSU fans would love to see Aranda, Craig, Jaluke, Raymond, Ponamsky, back on the sidelines next season. I don't think Ensminger wants to be the full time OC, so O would have some degree of freedom in finding the guy he wants.
I'm not saying they should give him the job tomorrow, but this teams needs a COMPLETE overhaul in the offensive approach. O wasn't going to be able to do that in a month (though you would have thought last night's gameplan would have been much more creative). As long as they can keep bringing in players, this program is not far away from being dominant again.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:23 am to Stud Bud
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OM has a worse OL than we do, but they can scheme and score points.
We went back in with the same game plan as Les for 6 years in a row.
Bingo
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:34 am to dos crystal
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Have to get better at o-line and qb
That will happen if a offensive minded head coach is hired and Orgeron is a dline coach.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:45 am to Alt26
Most of those things you mentioned are temporary. Staffs are ever changing. OCs have come and gone. DCs have come and gone. It doesn't matter who the HC is. A staff never stays together.
So why give the keys to a guy who's proven nothing for a temporary staff? He'll have to decide future replacements. Has he proven he can make good hiring decisions?
I get the recruiting aspect. He's great at that. Recruiting is just not enough alone to justify giving him the HC job for me.
So why give the keys to a guy who's proven nothing for a temporary staff? He'll have to decide future replacements. Has he proven he can make good hiring decisions?
I get the recruiting aspect. He's great at that. Recruiting is just not enough alone to justify giving him the HC job for me.
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