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Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:16 pm to moneyg
right, but at home isnt what he said.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:27 pm to Keltic Tiger
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The ump's hands never moved.
Correct, because he assumed the catcher had the ball or was still near the screen. He never saw the ball roll to the coach.
After the discussion he put his hands in the air, to signal the ruling was a dead ball, and pointed to third, to award it to Hale.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:07 pm to bbap
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right, but at home isnt what he said.
I wasn't suggesting otherwise.
I was just clarifying the fact. The broadcast pointed it out last night.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:14 pm to LSUTygerFan
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not like a timed thing in football or basketball, but you can call time to stop play
There is no crying in baseball.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:35 pm to MOT
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After the discussion he put his hands in the air,
and said " wtf am i going to do with these idiots?"
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:02 pm to bbap
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they were not awarded two bases. they were only awarded one.
Play would have been ruled incorrectly if the ball would have went in the dugout. As stated however the runners were awarded the base because the coach picked up the ball. If any infielder including the pitcher not on the rubber throws a ball out of the field of play the runners get two bases past their established base. It is the umpire's decision whether they had achieved the base yet or not. My question is was the ball still rolling when he picked it up? If so I would have ruled that the ball would have went into the dugout and awarded each runner two bases. I also realize that the umpires didn't see what happened so that affected the ruling.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:05 pm to beary25
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My question is was the ball still rolling when he picked it up?
yeah, the catcher basically tossed it underhand towards the dugout and it rolled up to the coach who picked it up on the roll.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:09 pm to LSUTygerFan
Well based on my interpretation of the rule when I umpired for a few years, I would have ruled that the coach stopped the ball from going into the dugout and thus became an extension of the dugout and awarded the runners two bases.
Edit: Seems similar to a few situations I saw a few times which was ruled the same way by multiple umpires. For instance, if the coach is sitting on a bucket calling pitches outside but in front of the dugout entrance and the ball hits the bucket on an overthrow, if it is deemed that the ball would have went into the dugout it has been ruled as such.
Edit: Seems similar to a few situations I saw a few times which was ruled the same way by multiple umpires. For instance, if the coach is sitting on a bucket calling pitches outside but in front of the dugout entrance and the ball hits the bucket on an overthrow, if it is deemed that the ball would have went into the dugout it has been ruled as such.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:24 pm to LSUTygerFan
You can call time all you want. Only the umpire can grant the stoppage of play. You can't call TIME and make every one stop like basketball or football.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:29 pm to LSUTygerFan
A dead ball. Play can only be stopped by the umpire. He doesn't call time, he stops play.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:30 pm to NBR_Exile
thanks for the sig quote... i needed a new one
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:31 pm to LSURussian
Not exactly. I know I am splitting hairs, but you don't call time in baseball. You ask for it from the ump and he calls for a dead ball. Otherwise, the ball is live and the play goes on. Watch when a batter asks for time at the plate. The request is not always granted.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:31 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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No, I don't think they ruled it the same way as that. It was more along the lines of an OF catching a ball, thinking it is the third out when it's really the second out and flipping it in the stands. That ball is live.
Nope.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:35 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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No, because, at the time, the play was still live.
If the coach intentionally picks the ball up it is dead.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:39 pm to NBR_Exile
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You can call time all you want. Only the umpire can grant the stoppage of play.
What distinction do you think you are making here.
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You can't call TIME and make every one stop like basketball or football.
huh?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:43 pm to moneyg
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What distinction do you think you are making here.
He's just saying that you can call for time but stopping play is under the discretion of the umpire. This is not so in basketball and football.
Essentially, your are calling for timeout, but it just usually isn't phrased this way in baseball.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:44 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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That is because he has not reached first base yet. He is awarded first base and second base in that situation. If he has already passed first base, he is awarded second + third.
quote:I'm pretty sure that technically it's based on where the runners are when the pitch is thrown....if the throw resulting in the ball becoming dead is the first play by an infielder (i.e. not on the relay throw on a double play).
sure he has in some cases. if he beats the throw he has reached first. then the throw goes into the stands. he's still only awarded second.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:50 pm to LSUTygerFan
its in the rulebook as "time"
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:50 pm to UpToPar
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No, I don't think they ruled it the same way as that. It was more along the lines of an OF catching a ball, thinking it is the third out when it's really the second out and flipping it in the stands. That ball is live. Nope.
Corrected myself like 2 posts later. But thanks.
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