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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:54 am to THECEO
When you fire a coach with a national championship and a very respectable winning percentage, you better be prepared to make a splashy hire - not one where a sizable percentage of the fan base says wtf. I think Alleva is safe for the time being because his choice is good politics. What trumps politics are empty seats in a 100,000 seat stadium with some very pricey seats. LSU football is big business that many people do not take lightly. If O wins a lot, Alleva and the university are golden. If not, this will turn very ugly, very quick for the people viewed as responsible for the hire.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:00 am to THECEO
Hey, Derek. Good work on the binder.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:01 am to Jack Daniel
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Hey, Derek. Good work on the binder.
The cheap spiral binding is kind of sloppy.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:04 am to THECEO
quote:Les Miles
5) Who you got?
Les should never been fired mid season without an ironclad knowledge that 1 or 2 was onboard.
To only have 1 or 2 choices that were reaches at best shows a complete lack of awareness. So you had 1 and 2 and O was 3....what if O had flamed out completely...what then?
Do you think we were completely unable to attract a sitting head coach of a P5 school.
I am pretty sure that LSU football is large enough to have back up plans for your back up plans.
To arbitrarily throw names out is a dumb exercise, but to think that not one of the dozens of more highly qualified candidates would have taken the LSU job is just being silly.
And if we COULD NOT attract a coach with a better resume than O, isn't that even a more of an indictment of Alleva. I think that is the most overlooked issue.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:04 am to gxtigs1
quote:or, he may have said no to UTs 5MM offer and taken LSUs ~6MM offer. We'll never know bc our wuss AD ran off like a scared child.
Herman and his agent would have made LSU look like fools with the games they would have played,
quote:im afraid that may be where we are headed now.
If Alleva (which is not my favorite AD) would have continued with pursuing Herman, it would have been another disaster for LSU. We would have ended up with another Curly Hallman cause
quote:that's another huge problem with the way this went. O wasn't going anywhere, he wanted this job and would have taken it any time we offered it. Why Sat morning? Make one more run at Jimbo. Or any other of the candidates infinitely more qualified between Jimbo and your Dline coach.
O would have walked away and it would have been another dark period in LSU football
quote:for this level job I THINK aint good enough...
you look at the past his record at OLD MRS was horrendous but I think he has learn from his mistakes.
quote:hope.. yep lets not count on our new HC, we HAVE to have elite OC & DC for him to succeed. sorry that's a bad plan... Quick, without google, who is the OC and DC at Ohio State? Michigan? Clemson?
Let's hope for a great OC hire and that we can keep Aranda.
quote:Here's another thing. we don't think Aranda will go with his good friend Herman at TX, but in the same breath we think we can steal the OC from the top program in the nation BC we ARE LSU?
I think keeping Aranda is a big key.
quote:participation trophies are all we'll be getting for a while. at least until our Joke of an AD is shown the door...
So you O protesters (looking like Clinton protesters) go buy yourself a participation trophy and be happy for a change.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:05 am to El Magnifico
quote:Becoming bowl eligible in the last week of November will be joyous.
It will be another dark period in LSU history. The decline is REAL and inevitable now
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:06 am to THECEO
I would have hired Aranda. At least You'd have one side of the ball locked up.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:08 am to THECEO
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Unless you have a cogent plan on how your magic AD would have come out with this fictitious hire, please do the reasonable thing and quit your Hillary Clinton style meltdown and do the reasonable thing: Drop your protest, say Geaux Tigers, and get on to the new era of Tiger football.
I am an LSU fan. At the moment, Orgeron is the Coach so I am pulling for him to succeed. Was he my 1st choice.. No. But at the moment he is our coach.
My overwhelming complaint is with our AD and the search. With almost (not quite) 20 years of experience negotiating contracts with fortune 500 companies, I do have some background from which to evaluate the process as I understand it. While good processes do not guarantee good results, poor processes almost always give you poor results.
So... lets get started!
1) Stating that as fans we should have " a cogent alternative" is just silly. Just because you do not have an alternative does not mean you do not have the ability to recognize incompetence.
2) When you want to enter into any form of negotiation that you want to keep under wraps, then the VERY 1ST THING YOU DO IS HAVE ALL PARTIES SIGN AN ENFORCEABLE NONDISCLOSURE/CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT!!!
By all accounts the intent of the "search" committee was to keep this under wraps until all was signed and the announcement was made. Clearly this is a significant oversight by the search committee. If they balked at signing such an agreement on the front end then you have not wasted you time and energy and you walk.
It is clear to me the AD did not exercise due diligence in this process in spite of the fact he had ample time and opportunity.
Joe Alleva cannot be fired fast enough as far as I am concerned.
I do not blame Orgeron for this. And I reiterate, he is our coach and I hope he sets the world on fire!!
Boo Alleva... Geaux Tigers
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:09 am to tigerfoot
quote:but we'll have something to play for in November.....
Becoming bowl eligible in the last week of November will be joyous
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:10 am to TiegerTim
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but in the same breath we think we can steal the OC from the top program in the nation BC we ARE LSU?quote:
This line of thinking has me baffled, we couldn't make a run at a serious HC candidate.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:11 am to klrstix
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Joe Alleva cannot be fired fast enough as far as I am concerned. I do not blame Orgeron for this. And I reiterate, he is our coach and I hope he sets the world on fire!! Boo Alleva... Geaux Tigers
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:17 am to THECEO
I understand your argument, and truth be told none of us know what happened.
But, the general consensus is that there was not search. LSU looked like a bunch of amateurs. I mean we tucked tail and ran when Texas came after Herman.
If LSU administration would've done what they said they were going to do, which was shake things up literally and culturally, we would've hired Herman. Period.
You know the old adage "you get what you pay for"? This is coming from an eternal optimist....expect more of the same or worse from the Miles era.
I couldn't more staunchly disagree with this hire. No apologies, good man, Cajun, deserving, this and that...whatever.
But guess what, I'll be here next year watching.
But, the general consensus is that there was not search. LSU looked like a bunch of amateurs. I mean we tucked tail and ran when Texas came after Herman.
If LSU administration would've done what they said they were going to do, which was shake things up literally and culturally, we would've hired Herman. Period.
You know the old adage "you get what you pay for"? This is coming from an eternal optimist....expect more of the same or worse from the Miles era.
I couldn't more staunchly disagree with this hire. No apologies, good man, Cajun, deserving, this and that...whatever.
But guess what, I'll be here next year watching.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:18 am to THECEO
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Yet, you should be prepared to offer a cogent alternative to what occurred.
I just wanted a thorough, professional search commensurate with the level of LSU's program. I don't think that is unreasonable.
If you believe LSU is a top level program then that type of search wasn't conducted. If you believe that type of search was conducted then you also believe LSU's program is a second rate joke. There is no in between and we now know Joe Alleva believes the latter.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:21 am to THECEO
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Fedora, Holgerson, Fuentes, etc...Fuentes, maybe, but I hardly saw anyone on here squaking for his services, and he is arguably too early in his VaTech career
I wanted Alleva to at least perform a comprehensive coaching search, perform his due diligence, you know, like a competent AD would do?
I can't possibly imagine how people keep arguing against this point. Alleva should've interviewed more coaches. That point is unassailable.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:27 am to tigahland
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Was Fleck ever on LSU's radar?
According to Dellenger he and Fedora and Gundy were after orgeron
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:33 am to Ironhead985
As a coordinator aranda has much more time to 'lock up' the D than he would if he were HC.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:37 am to THECEO
I'd have asked Fisher what the number had to be for a 5 year deal and made it happen.
I mean Fisher was the closet hirable candidate to the Saban/Meyer stratosphere.
I probably wouldn't have done 10 years for anything over 6 mil per.
I mean Fisher was the closet hirable candidate to the Saban/Meyer stratosphere.
I probably wouldn't have done 10 years for anything over 6 mil per.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:43 am to Choupique19
I would have paid $8 mill for Harbough, but Fischer isn't worth $8 mill. The only three coaches worth that are Harbough, Saban and Meyers. Period.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:47 am to Choupique19
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Why is it outrageous to pay Fisher $8 million for 5 years? You either want to win or you don't. Michigan wanted to win, and they got their man.
and Michigan will be watching the playoffs from home, just like LSU.
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