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Question(s) for the protesters (of Coach O hire)

Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:29 am
Posted by THECEO
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:29 am
Look, you have a right to rant on a site named the rant.

Yet, you should be prepared to offer a cogent alternative to what occurred.

1) Fisher: Would you have relented to Jimbo for his outrageous demands? I doubt it. 8M a year is hideous. Alleva did the right thing in not pursueing this strong-but-unreasonable "candidate". Would your best AD have magically persuaded Sexton to a more reasonable price? Nope.

2) Herman - Trace Armstrong (a staunch Florida Gator, mind you) was attempting to get a max contract for his client. Texas and Trace are most likely the leak that Mark May erroneously blamed on LSU, and it was to do what you would have done if you were Herman. A day after your last game at Texas, from the Herman perspective (not from an LSU kid on a site called the rant), you would have been talked into listening to the Texas offer as well. You know you would have. Alleva was not going to be taken for a fool, realizing that Herman would likely get persuaded, and would have raised the price tag for Herman to nearly twice the money as Coach O. So, he did not wait for this to be further dragged out, and cut off the "negotations" with Herman. Sure, Herman was the top choice, but Alleva senses Trace, the UT donors and The Longhorn Networks owner -ESPN- were going to either raise the price to a level Herman was not deemed worthy of, and likely loose in the end. So, tell me: What would your magic charming AD have done to get this to go better?

3) Fedora, Holgerson, Fuentes, etc...Fuentes, maybe, but I hardly saw anyone on here squaking for his services, and he is arguably too early in his VaTech career.

4) Josh McDaniels? - YOu think he's leaving Tom Brady on a playoff run. Nope. And you would have roasted Alleva anyway. Perhaps Alleva floated the idea and it was not floating. Who knows. And don't get too caught up isolating to a rebuttal on this entry, as it was not really an option, so pay attention to the rest of the thread.

5) Who you got?

Unless you have a cogent plan on how your magic AD would have come out with this fictitious hire, please do the reasonable thing and quit your Hillary Clinton style meltdown and do the reasonable thing: Drop your protest, say Geaux Tigers, and get on to the new era of Tiger football.

Coach O is showing great leadership skills to control what he has control over, and he will get an offseason with a heck of a lot better QB coach, OC and actual QB than Miles has fielded over the last few years. The QB will be developed and fit to the offense. He'll do whatever he can to recruit the best players and coached and inspire them.

I have my beef with Alleva as well, but I cannot see a different path given who was available, and how their agents/targets behaved.

Get over it or pony up a better theory/option.

Geaux Tigers
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 9:32 am
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11892 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:31 am to
I think most of the people were upset that we fired Miles in September and didn't really start looking for a new head coach until after the Florida game.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61757 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:32 am to
Why is it outrageous to pay Fisher $8 million for 5 years? You either want to win or you don't. Michigan wanted to win, and they got their man.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 9:33 am
Posted by LlyodChristmas
The Abandoned Jazzland
Member since Jan 2013
2168 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:33 am to
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Josh McDaniels

Who the actual frick said him? Btw, I'd take Scott Lenahan before him
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:33 am to
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Yet, you should be prepared to offer a cogent alternative to what occurred.

Easy

We'll assume choices A and B were impossible to get for whatever reason.

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3) Fedora, Holgerson, Fuentes, etc...Fuentes, maybe, but I hardly saw anyone on here squaking for his services, and he is arguably too early in his VaTech career.

All superior choices to O. Just because they weren't everyone's favorite doesn't change that reality. The fact they may have been C, D or even E choice doesn't change the reality that Coach O shouldn't have been in single alphabet letters.

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5) Who you got?

Who do I have? Well, given that there are at least 30 guys out there with staggeringly better resumes, one of them.

It really isn't even close.
Posted by tigahland
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3214 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:34 am to
Was Fleck ever on LSU's radar?


Not saying he was the guy I wanted, but actually curious if he was ever in consideration
Posted by THECEO
HQ's
Member since Oct 2016
587 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:34 am to
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I think most of the people were upset that we fired Miles in September and didn't really start looking for a new head coach until after the Florida game.


They have no idea that was the case. If they wanted, Miles, defend that. If they have evidence on when the search started, then post that evidence. They have no idea what really happened. Most of these people (not all) have probably never hired anyone and do not understand the process. Even still, name the person who would have best the case of keeping O?
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54026 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:35 am to
Its actually easy.

You go through the interview process and go off your list.

When Alleva saw that LSU wasn't gonna spend money to be elite, you go to the next tier of coaches.

You don't just hire the d line coach.

But we didn't even do this.

Alleva got upset when Texas threw its hat in the ring, ran away and hurried up and hired the d line coach.

He didn't really conduct a search...........which is fricking baffling in and of itself.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 9:37 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:36 am to
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They have no idea that was the case. If they wanted, Miles, defend that. If they have evidence on when the search started, then post that evidence. They have no idea what really happened. Most of these people (not all) have probably never hired anyone and do not understand the process. Even still, name the person who would have best the case of keeping O?



O wasn't on ANY other school's coaching radar as a HC.

That's not an accident.

Name a person? How about there are like 50.
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
54026 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:36 am to
quote:

Why is it outrageous to pay Fisher $8 million for 5 years? You either want to win or you don't. Michigan wanted to win, and they got their man.



Nailed it.

Alleve got cucked by Texas when a big dog came to the table.

Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83523 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:36 am to
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Fedora, Holgerson, Fuentes, etc.


You can keep going

There are plenty of guys out there with greater than .500 career winning averages

the simple fact is that we fired Miles because we were told 10-3 was not good enough anymore and LSU was going to be elite again...

...and then we hired our DL coach
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45044 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:37 am to
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1) Fisher: Would you have relented to Jimbo for his outrageous demands? I doubt it. 8M a year is hideous.


Not for a NC winning head coach. If you want to win you have to pay for it.

quote:

Alleva was not going to be taken for a fool, realizing that Herman would likely get persuaded, and would have raised the price tag for Herman to nearly twice the money as Coach O. So, he did not wait for this to be further dragged out, and cut off the "negotations" with Herman.


If you know for sure he is going to UT, then drive up the price. Do exactly what Herman was and make UT pay for it. You know they are going to try to come after Aranda, so drive up the price for Herman. It makes it less likely that they can take away your prized DC that everyone wants to keep. Instead, he reportedly makes less at UT than he wanted from us. In essence they got him for a bargain.

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he will get an offseason with a heck of a lot better QB coach, OC and actual QB than Miles has fielded over the last few years. The QB will be developed and fit to the offense.


We have been told a lot of things over the past year and lied to. Why should I start trusting the administration now?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:37 am to
quote:

the simple fact is that we fired Miles because we were told 10-3 was not good enough anymore and LSU was going to be elite again...

...and then we hired our DL coach


Good God. Just seeing it written is a goddamned nightmare.

Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:37 am to
quote:

THECEO



quote:

Unless you have a cogent plan on how your magic AD would have come out with this fictitious hire, please do the reasonable thing and quit your Hillary Clinton style meltdown and do the reasonable thing: Drop your protest, say Geaux Tigers, and get on to the new era of Tiger football.


Nailed
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
10315 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:37 am to
Two major issues with how coach was hired.

First, Alleva was fixated on Coach O all along and only started looking for a coach after LSU lost the Florida game.

Second, there were more qualified head coaching candidates out there, even at your third tier level you listed.

You guys that seem to have an issue with pushback on this hire fail to appreciate the wilderness in which this program wandered during the 1990s with Archer, Hallman and DiNardo. Coach O is much closer to those coaches than he is a Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh.
Posted by El Magnifico
La casa de tu mamá
Member since Jan 2014
7017 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:40 am to
quote:

He didn't really conduct a search
Joe Alleva: "I AM the search"! fricking fire that a-hole
Posted by gxtigs1
Member since Jan 2008
672 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:45 am to
I agree with you 100%. Herman and his agent would have made LSU look like fools with the games they would have played, knowing all the while that the deeper pockets of UT would have prevailed. If Alleva (which is not my favorite AD) would have continued with pursuing Herman, it would have been another disaster for LSU. We would have ended up with another Curly Hallman cause O would have walked away and it would have been another dark period in LSU football. Coach O may not be the darling hire that everyone wanted but damn it give the man a chance. Yes if you look at the past his record at OLD MRS was horrendous but I think he has learn from his mistakes. Then again it was OLD MRS, look at them now. They will be on probation soon. They are running out of money to pay their players to attend OLD MRS so that will dry up soon. Anyway, we all need to sit back and take a deep breath and give Coach O a chance. It looks like he wants to change the offensive culture at LSU (which has been very offensive to some, down right nasty at times). Let's hope for a great OC hire and that we can keep Aranda. I think keeping Aranda is a big key. Remember a HC is only as good as his assistants if he allows them to do what they are getting paid to do and not mircomanage or control like Leslie did. So you O protesters (looking like Clinton protesters) go buy yourself a participation trophy and be happy for a change. Give the man a chance.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:47 am to
quote:

If Alleva (which is not my favorite AD) would have continued with pursuing Herman, it would have been another disaster for LSU. We would have ended up with another Curly Hallman cause O would have walked away and it would have been another dark period in LSU football.
Let me clarify it for you.

Hiring Curley Hallman, a guy with some success as an HC, was a hire of someone FAR more qualified than coach O.

A failed hire of a qualified person doesn't change that O has literally nothing in his resume that warrants his hiring.

And Coach O wasn't walking away anywhere. There weren't any other schools considering him for HC and there weren't going to be any.

Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54026 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:47 am to
quote:

deeper pockets of UT would have prevailed


Our athletic department has a shite ton of money as well.

Why do people keep posting this?

Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29025 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:48 am to
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Good God. Just seeing it written is a goddamned nightmare.



It really is.


It absolutely crushes the blatant myth that LSU is somehow a Top 5 job.


When you pull a stunt like this ... with the only justification for the hire being "he sounds like us" and "he actually wanted the job" ... this implies that no one else wanted it.

Of course, we'll never know ... because it doesn't sound like we looked or asked.
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