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re: Question For The "Fire Les" Crowd

Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

I guess this is the same logic that Miles used in deciding not to go deep on the 110th ranked passing defense who lost 2 starters. We have to consider the possibility that those balls will be intercepted.


The one time we attempted it with an actual quarterback, it was.
Posted by akcheat
Fairfax, VA
Member since Apr 2009
468 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:46 pm to
quote:

elite programs like ohio state and usc and oklahoma arent satisfied with 8 and 9


2009 Oklahoma: 8-5
2009 USC: 9-4

Just saying.
Posted by akcheat
Fairfax, VA
Member since Apr 2009
468 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

I guess this is the same logic that Miles used in deciding not to go deep on the 110th ranked passing defense who lost 2 starters. We have to consider the possibility that those balls will be intercepted.


Right, our vertical passing game has been lighting the world on fire this year, why didn't they try more?

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The one time we attempted it with an actual quarterback, it was.


Oh yea, that's why.
This post was edited on 10/26/10 at 6:49 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:48 pm to
2007 Florida
2009 Oklahoma
2009 USC
2010 Florida
2010 Georgia
2010 Texas


I'm sure there are others that aren't coming to mind.
Posted by HooDooWitch
TD Bronze member
Member since Sep 2009
10280 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

What would be your expectations and/or predictions on LSU's record following the firing of Miles?

To compete consistently the SECW and win, make the most of the talent he has at his disposal and make sound coaching decisions 90% or more of the time. This is something I don't think is going to happen as long as CLM is in charge.

quote:

Since it is clear adown time of 8, 9, and possibly 10+ wins this season does not meet many people's expectations, do any here think that those expectations would be met with someone new?

Yes I think a run of the mill average coach could do this, hell its happening right now. Should be no problem for a better than average coach.

Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43285 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 7:05 pm to
He is a great recruiter, and that has carried him, the talented players have carried him.
Posted by TigerBandTuba
Member since Sep 2006
2547 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 7:06 pm to
I'd like to see a team play to the best of its abilities.

I'd like to see an offensive scheme that is molded to the strength of the players instead of trying to fit players in to a scheme.

I'd like to see players get better during their career at LSU.

If a coach is hired that can do all of these things with the talent that LSU already has then there is no reason why there should be a drop in success during a coaching change.
Posted by mamoutiga
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2009
951 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

2007 Florida
2009 Oklahoma
2009 USC

What happened to all of these teams the following year?
07 Florida- Nat'l champ.
09 OU (lost heisman qb in wk 1 BTW) TBD, but in top 10
09 USC- better comparison is 90s USC to early 2000s USC. They are on probie now.
Posted by willeteal
Texarkana
Member since Aug 2010
2245 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 11:38 pm to
quote:

So the Saints should start Chase Daniel against the Steelers?


Hey Buddy.

When Drew Brees is the laughing stock of the nation because he doesn't know simple clock management, let me know.

Nice try, though.







Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8804 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 11:57 pm to
I really don't think firing Miles is the answer at this point. Recruiting wins as many games or more than coaching. To this point- Miles recruits with the best of them.

If your team cannot match up, and you are relying on "Scheme" day in and day out....good luck. I'll take Miles and his recruiting ability every day. He just needs a better OC and this nightmare can end.

Posted by Shaka Zulu
Member since Nov 2009
2493 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 12:02 am to
quote:

t is more likely that LSU would have at least one 7 win season following Miles's departure, and that is assuming the replacement would pan out eventually. We've seen that it's dangerous to assume this.


Great strawman argument that you built up just to knock down. So, if I want to replace Lesticles, I'm consigning us to a 7 win season? Nice way to frame the debate. Look, I don't agree with the pretense of your argument, but I'll take a 7 win season to get rid of this dumb arse football squatter and finding some fresh coaching talent.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79287 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 12:05 am to
well, finishing 9-3 would likely mean a 3rd or 4th place finish in the west, nowhere near good enough to make it to atlanta...again.

is that successful?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63369 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 12:14 am to
Not as successful as 11-2 (with bowl win), which is where I think we end up, but still not bad for a year that most considered a down year for the Tigers. Putting aside my homer tendencies, I didn't think we had a legit shot to go to the NC this year. Did you?

I do think Les has shown that he can be a good coach, and he can make adjustments in the ofseason to improve. 2008 sucked for several reasons. 2009, better, but ended on a bad note. Like I said, this this year I think it gets better. And then, like he has done in the past, he will make necessary adjustments, and we improve again. That's a how cycle works, you see?

So I answered your question. I am the OP, so answer mine. We fire Miles. What's your expectations for next year? Or the next few years? You guys seem to be able to predict doom with ease when talking about LSU under Miles. Assume you ge tyour way and then make a prediction. It's not hard.

Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 12:18 am to
You are making a lot of assumptions in your post. Every coach at LSU since Charlie Mac won at least the same amount of games as the previous coach with 2 coaches winning more games. Bill Arsnparger left and Archer won more games the next year. Saban left and Miles won more games.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63369 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 12:28 am to
edit: I see you meant just the following year. You still could be right, but how many wins did the team have the year before those guys got here? I honestly don't know. I know Nick didn't have to win very many in his first year. He went 8-4 in his first year. I think we do better than that this year.
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 12:36 am
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1326 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:06 am to
quote:

quote:
This staff is the highest paid staff in the nation, they are paid to win championships. We could pay the next guy 1 million dollars to win 8 games and save us 2.75million.


So your expectations would be we would hire for savings, and go on to be a perpetual 8 win a year team?


I think it's far to say that winning 2 NC in the last 7 years, paying top dollar for coaching, and upgrading our facilities has raised the bar of expectations by the fan base and administration. there is a direct correlation between these things.

quote:

What would be your expectations and/or predictions on LSU's record following the firing of Miles? Since it is clear a down time of 8, 9, and possibly 10+ wins this season does not meet many people's expectations, do any here think that those expectations would be met with someone new?

It is more likely that LSU would have at least one 7 win season following Miles's departure, and that is assuming the replacement would pan out eventually. We've seen that it's dangerous to assume this.


i feel like there are a lot of circular arguments on these message boards. how can you fire miles. LSU is 7-1.

i think some of the fan base wants to see the hat go after watching 2008, 2009 and 2010. sure our record is much, much better than the early 1990s. can we say that over the last 2 1/2 seasons that we've seen the best football LSU has played?

do you remember the LA Tech game last year? we held on and just barely beat LA Tech 24-16. in 2007, we thumped them 58-10 and before that in 2003 it was 49-10.

even in the '90's, i can't remember our offense being as woeful as we have been 2008-10.

last week, we gave up the most rushing yards ever by a LSU defense--even more than our early '90's teams or a Lou Tepper coached team without the vaunted drop linebacker. what's worse is that the way we are playing the games is not commensurate with the money we are paying our coaches or the money we have invested in facilities.

i could live with a 9-win LSU team that competed hard and played smart every game. what's mind-numbing is we appear to have more talent and depth than we've ever had and yet we squeak by Troy State @ home.

historically, LSU has played up and down to its opponents. we had a rare run 2001-07. it seems like we are back to old LSU playing up and down to our competition. the big difference now v the '90s is that our talent base (overall) is a whole lot better than it has, which is why we are still winning 8-9 games when we would have only won 5-7 games playing the same way, historically.

if week-in and week-out, a team loaded with talent is squeaking by teams that it should beat by 10+ or more, you have to ask yourself if we are truly getting the best value out of our coaching.
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 2:09 am
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1326 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:15 am to
quote:

Recruiting wins as many games or more than coaching. To this point- Miles recruits with the best of them.


no question LM is a good recruiter.
you need good recruits to win.

it is fair to question whether LM has a good track record recruiting QB and OL.
we have recruited 24 OL from 2006-10 and only 12 remain on the roster. that's a 50% attrition rate. it's killing us currently.
if our 2011 class stays in tact and we add robinson, we'll be fine (assuming no more attrition, which is quite an assumption given recent history).
i think we need a new OL coach.

another fair criticism of LM recruiting is that we have a jacked up offensive system, which is why we don't have an QB, RB, WR or OL that fits the system. we don't know which system we have b/c we have multiple and none of them are working. is it a pro-style attack or a hybrid spread or what.
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1326 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:19 am to
quote:

I am the OP, so answer mine. We fire Miles. What's your expectations for next year? Or the next few years?


depends
who does LSU get to replace the hat?
do we get the mettenberger kid or no?
having a coach that maps his schemes to his players will inform the prediction.
whether we have a SEC caliber QB is another key determinant.
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 2:20 am
Posted by diablo blanco
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
1084 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 11:43 am to
And I would argue that a Les Miles coached team with inferior talent would not beat an Urban Meyer coached team with superior talent.
Posted by diablo blanco
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
1084 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 11:45 am to
I Kige this!

4-4 and beaten by better teams and some idea of how we finish or 7-1, beaten by a better team and no idea how we will finish?
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 11:50 am
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