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re: QB Play: NOT the Major Problem w/the Offense (statistical support)
Posted on 4/20/10 at 11:27 pm to Mayhawman
Posted on 4/20/10 at 11:27 pm to Mayhawman
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For the opponent?
Seriously, since when did any QB average 31ppg? Was it one on one?
This is the fallacy OP is trying to bring to light.
Idiot.. he lead the team to 31 PPG.
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Posted on 4/21/10 at 12:57 am to bmy
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Idiot.. he lead the team to 31 PPG.
So did JJ in his starts against Arky and GT as a true freshmen.
I think the thing to take away from that Jefferson is a solid game manager. Hopefully he becomes a little more than that next year. If we had a typical LSU rushing attack last year the offense would have been great. I guess we could all be ignorant and blame Jefferson eventhough he had a good completion % and comparable YPC to other past LSU QBs.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 1:03 am to Colonel Flagg
I feel as if I just read a Russian novel.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 1:20 am to wahoocs
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Yeah, I really have a hard time acknowledging the significance of this thread.
That must be why you wrote a fricking book in response.
We know man, its all JJ.
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I don't really know.
This I believe.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 1:36 am to OBUDan
how about the 37 sacks in 13 games (~2.85/game) in 2009 versus the 30 sacks (less) in 14 games (more) in 2007?
Those sacks are what killed drives. When he wasn't getting sacked (many of which came on bad decisions by JJ), JJ was a good QB. He shot the team in the foot too.
That being said, he isn't as bad as people make him out to be, but the spring game is fresh in their minds.
Those sacks are what killed drives. When he wasn't getting sacked (many of which came on bad decisions by JJ), JJ was a good QB. He shot the team in the foot too.
That being said, he isn't as bad as people make him out to be, but the spring game is fresh in their minds.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 1:51 am to LSUMafia
i am getting to this thread late but
that is an issue, but his rushing was still in the positive numbers in all but 2 games. and only one of those were significant.
its a problem, no doubt. but i sometimes think people blow this out of proportion.
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how about the 37 sacks in 13 games (~2.85/game) in 2009
that is an issue, but his rushing was still in the positive numbers in all but 2 games. and only one of those were significant.
its a problem, no doubt. but i sometimes think people blow this out of proportion.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 3:37 am to noonan
JJ 296 pass attempts and 34 sacks, ratio 1:8.7
MF 359 pass attempts and 26 sackks, ratio 1:13.8
JJ 1 rushing TD's
MF 4 rushing TD's
i dont see how anyone can say all the sacks wasnt part of the problem. 5 sacks vs UF and 6 vs Ole Miss. I'd like to see stats on how often a team wins when their QB took 5+ sacks.
MF 359 pass attempts and 26 sackks, ratio 1:13.8
JJ 1 rushing TD's
MF 4 rushing TD's
i dont see how anyone can say all the sacks wasnt part of the problem. 5 sacks vs UF and 6 vs Ole Miss. I'd like to see stats on how often a team wins when their QB took 5+ sacks.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 6:56 am to OBUDan
Part of the problem with the running game is that our opponents are stacking the line, because they are convinced that we cannot hurt them with the passing game.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 7:26 am to bearhc
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Part of the problem with the running game is that our opponents are stacking the line, because they are convinced that we cannot hurt them with the passing game.
I agree. JJ has to make defenses respect him. Can JJ be as good as QB's past? Most likely. But to look at the offense last year and say he is as good as QB's of recent is not going to convince many people. Its his year, hope he can make the adjustments.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 7:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
Solid thread
I agree with everything you said rog
I agree with everything you said rog
Posted on 4/21/10 at 7:43 am to TheDoc
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Solid thread
I agree with everything you said rog
He has all the tools. I am anxious to see how he reacts to the pressure this year.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 7:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
I agree that he has the potential to be very good and otherwise agree with essentially all that you posted here. But lets end this thread with: our offense last year was bad, all parts of the offense can share the blame, and we all hope that the coaches and players improve. No one on here has any agenda except to see LSU win.
This post was edited on 4/21/10 at 7:58 am
Posted on 4/21/10 at 8:18 am to OBUDan
Impressive analysis. Put simply: Our O-Line last year couldn't block so no run game, no pass game. IF the 2011 O-line blocks, the QB gets time to throw AND holes are opened for our backs. Nuff said.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 8:23 am to dinosaur
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I agree that he has the potential to be very good and otherwise agree with essentially all that you posted here. But lets end this thread with: our offense last year was bad, all parts of the offense can share the blame, and we all hope that the coaches and players improve. No one on here has any agenda except to see LSU win.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 8:32 am to dinosaur
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But lets end this thread with: our offense last year was bad, all parts of the offense can share the blame, and we all hope that the coaches and players improve.
Why not try and understand what was actually bad about the offense?
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No one on here has any agenda except to see LSU win.
That is definitely not true
Posted on 4/21/10 at 8:40 am to bearhc
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Part of the problem with the running game is that our opponents are stacking the line, because they are convinced that we cannot hurt them with the passing game
Actually, opposing defenses didn't have to stack the line b/c our OL was so bad. They didn't have to commit 8 in the box to stop the run when they could do it was 6 or 7 defenders and still have 4-5 guys in pass coverage.
With our WR, teams would've been dumb to commit 8 guys to stopping the run and leave CBs to single cover LaFell and Toliver.
eta: and before some of y'all try to say that teams would stack the box b/c "Jefferson wasn't a threat to get the WR the ball", the statistics show that he clearly could. Fairly consistently, might I add.
This post was edited on 4/21/10 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/21/10 at 9:33 am to amiznit
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Actually, opposing defenses didn't have to stack the line b/c our OL was so bad. They didn't have to commit 8 in the box to stop the run when they could do it was 6 or 7 defenders and still have 4-5 guys in pass coverage.
This. It happened a lot. I went back and rewatched several games and teams very rarely stacked the box against us.
Posted on 4/21/10 at 10:18 am to OBUDan
OBU: I agree with most of your post. I just have a few problems with your assessment.
Obviously the biggest problem with the O was lack of a running game. It was evident in your 3rd and short breakdown. I venture to guess the same would be true on all running downs.
The offense is based on a strong running game and a complimentary passing game. I disagree with the fact that we have a "game manager" @ QB. JJ's biggest problem in my eyes was putting a ball control offense in bad situations. Although he was only sacked a "few" more times than Flynn, JJ sacks were "drive killers". I saw too many situations where manageable situations were turned into 2nd or 3rd and long. I'm not not refering to porous o-line sacks, I'm talking about "coverage" sacks. Porous o-line or not, a game manager can't take a coverage sack in a manageable situation.
That being said, I don't go to practice everyday, so I trust the coaches. If JJ gives us he best chance to win, let's get it corrected.
Obviously the biggest problem with the O was lack of a running game. It was evident in your 3rd and short breakdown. I venture to guess the same would be true on all running downs.
The offense is based on a strong running game and a complimentary passing game. I disagree with the fact that we have a "game manager" @ QB. JJ's biggest problem in my eyes was putting a ball control offense in bad situations. Although he was only sacked a "few" more times than Flynn, JJ sacks were "drive killers". I saw too many situations where manageable situations were turned into 2nd or 3rd and long. I'm not not refering to porous o-line sacks, I'm talking about "coverage" sacks. Porous o-line or not, a game manager can't take a coverage sack in a manageable situation.
That being said, I don't go to practice everyday, so I trust the coaches. If JJ gives us he best chance to win, let's get it corrected.
This post was edited on 4/21/10 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/21/10 at 10:23 am to OBUDan
How many times did JJ hold it too long? How many sacks did he take that weren't the line's failt?
How many completions were over ten yds? Cause those are the ones that open up the running game.
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There are so many issues that caused us to be hampered by JJ's lack of game understanding.
How many sacks did Flynn take like the one JJ took at Ole Miss that lost us the game?
NONE
How many completions were over ten yds? Cause those are the ones that open up the running game.
T
There are so many issues that caused us to be hampered by JJ's lack of game understanding.
How many sacks did Flynn take like the one JJ took at Ole Miss that lost us the game?
NONE
Posted on 4/21/10 at 10:28 am to bmy
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Lee averaged like 31 PPG didn't he?
You said it rhodes scholar.
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Idiot.. he lead the team to 31 PPG.
I say the team avg 31ppg in spite of JL in '08.
Shows what a rushing attack will do for us. See OP's breakdown.
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