re: QB Play: NOT the Major Problem w/the Offense (statistical support)

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Quarterbacks job is to move the offense consistently and get in the end zone. I say we have two who haven't done this. Stats don't mean shite. Throwing the ball 5 yards when you need ten is an easy completion any day of the week.

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Lee averaged like 31 PPG didn't he? That's consistent.

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Lee averaged like 31 PPG didn't he? That's consistent.

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Lee moved the football but had his own set of problems which I mentioned, consistency.

Both QB's have shown the inability to read a defense and the mistakes each makes is just compensation for that lack of defensive recognition.

JJ's best game last year was against Washington and his confidence went downhill from there.

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JJ's best game last year was against Washington

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Naw.

Auburn: 21/31, 242 yards, 2 TD, 1 rushing TD

Lots of interesting stats (thanks for the effort).

But if the takeaway point is supposed to be that JJ is as good as Flynn then I would question the overall approach.

There were games in '07 (e.g., Bama) where we didn't run the ball that well and Matt did a great job chunking it. Flynn's understanding of the O and decision making was way ahead of JJ.

If it's just to point out that the OL was bigger problem than QB - ok. They really didn't complement one another but they're both big problems.

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Flynn's understanding of the O and decision making was way ahead of JJ.

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One point I didn't see mentioned was Flynn's maturity level in '07 vs JJ '09. I'm sure this won't take off the blinders of the naysayers though.
It's been said 1/2 a million times and hasn't sunk in yet.

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The defenses weren't tougher.

You can look at the stats I have on the first post.

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Stats in CFB are meaningless across years and even within a give year in many cases. First of all, no one team plays a statistically relevant percentage of the competition to put stats on an even playing field. While many teams play a similar schedule year after year, the turnover and growth rates for these young kids make comparison across years pretty irrelevant.

Stats give you one perspective only - they are not conclusive. Any team that finishes ranked in the top 25% in offensive stats is pretty good. Any team that finishes in the bottom 10% in offensive stats has almost no redeeming qualities. It is amazing to me that LSU won more games than it lost last year with that pathetic offense - a football miracle if I ever saw one, but because it occurred over the course of a whole season it will not get the recognition of a successful hail mary pass completion.

We can all argue until the cows come home whether it was the QB or the OL or the running backs or the WR's or the coaches or the weather or the hot dogs in the concession stand, but the fact is that none of those components was able to make the others any better, which is what a team game is all about.



When somebody steps up on the team or coaching staff and says the status quo is not good enough and there is a better way and is willing to outwork the competition to attain the top of the mountain, LSU will be there again.

Until then, I still would rather be in TS on Saturday night than anywhere else.

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One point I didn't see mentioned was Flynn's maturity level in '07 vs JJ '09. I'm sure this won't take off the blinders of the naysayers though.
It's been said 1/2 a million times and hasn't sunk in yet.

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I think everyone here knows Flynn was a 5th yr Sr in '07 while JJ was a true Soph in '09 so I (and most others) wouldn't expect JJ to be as mature as was Flynn in all respects.

But when Flynn started against UM in the '05 bowl (RS soph), he had a pittance of the PT that JJ did when he started vs. PSU (his 15th game as a starter). Now tell me who showed the better decision making, etc?

I'm not against JJ at all but if the point of the thread was to suggest (via stats) that JJ in '09 was comparable to Flynn in '07 then the very method is flawed.

Ik he was a fith yr senior but I would take Flynn over JJ anyday to quarterback my team. It was a good breakdown but you failed to present how Flynns style of play complimented with Crowtons offense. For instance Flynn could throw the deep ball, forcing the dbs and lbs to think pass first, this opened up our running game with hester and scott. Also you failed to realize how Flynn spread the the ball to many different reciever(Richard Dickson, who I dont think caught 5 passes last yr, along with backs out the backfield) where as JJ just looked at 2 guys basically. But all this being said I still think that JJ can be just as good, he just needs to spend more time in the film room learning the qb position, and he just needs to make plays when we need him to like Flynn did numerous amounts of time in 07.

Yeah, I really have a hard time acknowledging the significance of this thread.

Matt#### makes a pretty good argument for why Flynn shouldn't be discussed in addressing our offensive woes last season.

It's really just semantics when trying to blame the offensive line/ running game more than the poor QB play. Half dozen of one, six of the other.

The spring game only solidified the lack of improvement during the course of the season for me. You're in shotgun most of the time with four and five wide routinely, and you can't run a two minute drill?

Jefferson will never get the opposition's respect as a runner, or as a deep passing threat. There is no timing between Jefferson and his receivers, and it shows. Coaching may be the biggest reason for this. I don't really know.

I do know Jefferson requires a shite load of separation between his receiver and the defender to consider throwing a ball further than five yards past the LOS. For Jefferson to have any YPA, the receivers are going to have to make people miss.

I try to remember some past plays where we were successful in stretching the field and forcing defenses to respect our downfield passing game, but I just can't jar the memory enough. First play of the second half against Miss. St. maybe.

Hell, we couldn't throw a Hail Mary right against Ole Miss. Watching Jefferson try to complete go routes is the only thing more painful than watching him trying to run the option. Think about how many times wide open LSU receivers (I recall Lafell on the same route at least four times) had to wait on the ball and/or catch it below their knees, usually on first down.

Any chance of developing better timing with our receiving corps probably goes out the window when you look at the experience we have returning. A better offensive line and rushing game should take more of the spotlight off of Jefferson having to make big plays, but I don't like our chances if and when the better teams force us in these situations.