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re: Proof that Chris Jackson was the greatest college player (other than Pete)
Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:52 am to El Campo Tiger
Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:52 am to El Campo Tiger
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I started watching in 1987
then you started watching him at Gulfport High.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 3:21 am to papasmurf1269
Shaq vs. Chris Jackson college stats
Shaq
PPG: 21.6
TS%: 60.9
RPG: 13.5
APG: 1.7
BPG: 4.6
SPG: 1.2
CJ
PPG: 29.0
TS%: 58.1
RPG: 3.0
APG: 3.6
BPG: 0.1
SPG: 1.7
Jackson scored more, but with a worse TS%. He had a few more steals and assists, but Shaq had WAY more blocks and rebounds.
You could leave out the difference in shooting percentage (since they're pretty close there anyway) and figure up an expected value for each player. Jackson scored 7.4 points more per game, so that's obviously 7.4 points in his favor. He had 1.9 more assists; most assists are on 2-pointers, but we'll assume all of them were on 3s and give Jackson another 4.7 points. This puts Jackson 12.1 points ahead. Jackson had an extra .5 steals per game; if we figure each steal is worth about 2 points (ending the opponents possession + chance to cause a fast break) that puts him 13.1 points ahead of Shaq . . . but then we get to rebounds and blocks. Shaq is 10.5 rebounds per game better, and 4.5 blocks per game better. To keep Chris Jackson ahead, you'd have to say that each rebound and each block is worth less than 1 point.
Shaq
PPG: 21.6
TS%: 60.9
RPG: 13.5
APG: 1.7
BPG: 4.6
SPG: 1.2
CJ
PPG: 29.0
TS%: 58.1
RPG: 3.0
APG: 3.6
BPG: 0.1
SPG: 1.7
Jackson scored more, but with a worse TS%. He had a few more steals and assists, but Shaq had WAY more blocks and rebounds.
You could leave out the difference in shooting percentage (since they're pretty close there anyway) and figure up an expected value for each player. Jackson scored 7.4 points more per game, so that's obviously 7.4 points in his favor. He had 1.9 more assists; most assists are on 2-pointers, but we'll assume all of them were on 3s and give Jackson another 4.7 points. This puts Jackson 12.1 points ahead. Jackson had an extra .5 steals per game; if we figure each steal is worth about 2 points (ending the opponents possession + chance to cause a fast break) that puts him 13.1 points ahead of Shaq . . . but then we get to rebounds and blocks. Shaq is 10.5 rebounds per game better, and 4.5 blocks per game better. To keep Chris Jackson ahead, you'd have to say that each rebound and each block is worth less than 1 point.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:28 am to kylesch87
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Shaq vs. Chris Jackson college stats
I watched the games as a student at LSU. Shaq had a distinct size and strength advantage that allowed him to dunk and score on smaller opponents from 3 feet and in. Chris Jackson could score from anywhere once he crossed 1/2 court. CJ was without question a much better ball handler, passer, jump shooter and FT shooter than Shaq ever was.
Stats don't always tell the whole story. More skill needed for a guy to score from 15, 20, 25 feet out when he is 6ft tall-- than the skill needed for a 7'1" guy to dunk it.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:36 am to beauxroux
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Stats don't always tell the whole story. More skill needed for a guy to score from 15, 20, 25 feet out when he is 6ft tall-- than the skill needed for a 7'1" guy to dunk it.
Right. That's why Shaq was a better player; because of what a huge advantage his size was. You don't get extra points for degree of difficulty.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:39 am to LakeViewLSU
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Using queue is acceptable.
Not for "queue the idiots", unless he's talking about lining them up. "Cue the [whoever]" means whatever has just happened or been said will attract [whoever] to respond. That seems more like the reference he was making.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:43 am to kylesch87
Respectfully disagree. Even with all the physical advantages of size and height-- CJ still out scored Shaq.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:52 am to beauxroux
CJ outscored Shaq, but Shaq dominates in rebounds and blocks. Those matter too.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:56 am to PiscesTiger
CJ was smooth as butter. I don't believe any of his shots hit rim it was nothing but the bottom of the net. Just like Joe Dean used to say "String Music!" 
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:57 am to kylesch87
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CJ outscored Shaq, but Shaq dominates in rebounds and blocks. Those matter too.
So do free throws.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:59 am to beauxroux
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So do free throws.
Shaq had a higher True Shooting Percentage, which includes free throws. So he was a more efficient shooter even including his awful free throw shooting.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:46 am to kylesch87
Why in college was Chris Jackson so calm and collected, then in the NBA he was a head jerking twitching MFer. Was it because of the turrets medication being banned by the NBA and not NCAA?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:41 am to PiscesTiger
Back in the day, it seemed like LSU played a lot of games that went down to the wire. What I loved best about Chris Jackson, was at the end of the game. Tied, or LSU down by a basket, with a few seconds left. Every single person in the world knew that the ball was going to be inbounded to CJ. Every coach, and every player on the other team knew it. They would have a timeout, and strategize how to defend.
When it happened, there would be at least 2 defenders run to Jackson, sometimes 3, and be up in his face. Without failure, almost every time, quick dribble, fall away, and release, with hands and arms in his face. They were always a split second too slow, and he'd get off the game winner. And most times it went in.
I can remember everyone in the arena filing out, talking about how it physically didn't seem possible. And everyone knew it was coming, but no one could stop it. I still don't know how he did it.
When it happened, there would be at least 2 defenders run to Jackson, sometimes 3, and be up in his face. Without failure, almost every time, quick dribble, fall away, and release, with hands and arms in his face. They were always a split second too slow, and he'd get off the game winner. And most times it went in.
I can remember everyone in the arena filing out, talking about how it physically didn't seem possible. And everyone knew it was coming, but no one could stop it. I still don't know how he did it.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:43 am to beauxroux
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Respectfully disagree. Even with all the physical advantages of size and height-- CJ still out scored Shaq
Shaq's game was simply raw power. He was something the NCAA hadn't seen before. He literally just got on the block and slammed people away on his way to dunks. By year 3 he was a dominant physical specimen. But as others have said, Shaq had an advantage with his size. There simply weren't many, if any, 7'1 players who could do what he did. His size made him unguardable at times, not necessarily his skill.
Jackson was only 6'1 in a big mans game. There were hundreds of players in college basketball his size or greater. Yet, at times, he was an unstoppable scorer because of an unbelievable skill set. I have still yet to see any player since who could calmly dribble down court, cross-over between his legs and hit a leaning 3 with as much consistency as he did.
Shaq took absolute advantage of his unique physical gifts. He was a great, great player. But Jackson will always be the best for me because he was putting up numbers and doing things a guy his size shouldn't have been able to do.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:49 am to TigerB8
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53 against Florida as a freshman as his first SEC game
That was the first game I saw him play. Had been hearing LSU had a guard that was better than Rex Chapman who was a super guard at Kentucky. I was thinking "No way!" Then I saw the Florida game and was left speechless. He was hitting 3s like they were layups, which was impressive. Then he was thrown an alley opp and threw it done with one hand. WOW!!!! I was sold! That is a BAAAAD man!
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:54 am to AlxTgr
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At what?
Free throw percentage.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:55 am to Alt26
CJ is only 5'10''. Got a pick with he and I when I was in high school. I've been an even 6' tall since 9th grade. CJ is shorter than me. That's why he wasn't a great pro. Too short. Since 1990 the avg height of an nba pg is 6'4''. But to this day CJ is the greatest college player Ive ever seen.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:56 am to PiscesTiger
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But, he is the BEST since Pete. Steph Curry is NOT better. Jackson faded into obscurity (changed his name and religion and likely everything else) and people just forgot him. Then, Curry and the like come along and get recognition like none other. Rumeal Robinson, Sherman Douglas, Literial Green, Tim Hardaway, Kendall Gill, Gary Payton, and Greg Anthony were all GREAT. Jackson was better than all of them and he played in their era.
The difference between Steph Curry and Allen Iverson is that they were on teams whose coaches game them the green light and set there offenses based on those two scoring. I remember Bernie Bikerstaff stating he wasn't going to change his offence for Chris Jackson. The sign of a terrible coach. Give Chris the green light and offence Curry and Iverson operated under and we would be talking about his NBA career like we did his LSU career. That was a bad man! The best offensive player I have ever seen in college.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:59 am to ScoopAndScore
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Islam messed him up, especially since it was during a time when the NBA was far less "politically correct".
WOW!
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:01 am to PiscesTiger
The real question is how did that team not win a championship or even make a final four?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:03 am to crazytiger
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Chris Jackson against Gerald Glass was some of the best games ever
True! Also the game against Allan Houston.
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