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re: Possible reason why offense passes just deep downfield
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this sort of run/pass ratio has not won a national title in the modern (BCS) era. that's why people are worried
I get that. The problem is Fournette is doing something special right now. No reason to not keep doing that. After watching our WRs drop ball after ball Saturday and our o-line collapse around Harris I'm ok with it. I would like to see Harris get more opportunities rolling out and out of the shotgun. We're a week away from a fricking buzz saw defense so I'd like to do what we do really well.
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:03 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Yup. 2 big TEs, big o-line, fullback, one receiver, dual threat QB, and a monstrous RB.... Imagine how demoralizing it would be for a defense to know that an offense is going to run, but you cant stop it.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:07 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
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Miles only wants the power running game.
Oh for Christ's sake.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:07 pm to 7Tiger7
You don't know the ball across the middle when there are 9 guys in there. When a team stacks the box you have to take advantage down the field.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:08 pm to 7Tiger7
If Leonard lines up in the wildcat and throws a pass against bama, I will never ever doubt Leslie and Cam again
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:12 pm to MightyYat
quote:That UF D is the most worrisome. To pass you will have to either have 3 step drops from under center or quick passes from the shotgun. We haven't done much of that. WRs and QB have to be on same page, have to get off line quickly, find soft spots in zone (for those not being covered by VHIII), etc.
get that. The problem is Fournette is doing something special right now. No reason to not keep doing that. After watching our WRs drop ball after ball Saturday and our o-line collapse around Harris I'm ok with it. I would like to see Harris get more opportunities rolling out and out of the shotgun. We're a week away from a fricking buzz saw defense so I'd like to do what we do really well.
I understand taking what the D is giving and if safety is cheating or can be steered with QB's eyes, then go for it. But sustaining drives with a short-to-intermediate passing game against that rush depending on which OL shows up (pass protection) knowing that they are confident enough to load up against LF is worrisome.
quote:I love seeing that. It is a thing of beauty. Did that to UF 2 years ago to ice the game. But that usually is a 4th qtr venture. Have to get to that point first.
Yup. 2 big TEs, big o-line, fullback, one receiver, dual threat QB, and a monstrous RB.... Imagine how demoralizing it would be for a defense to know that an offense is going to run, but you cant stop it.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:21 pm to I20goon
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That UF D is the most worrisome. To pass you will have to either have 3 step drops from under center or quick passes from the shotgun. We haven't done much of that. WRs and QB have to be on same page, have to get off line quickly, find soft spots in zone (for those not being covered by VHIII), etc.
I understand taking what the D is giving and if safety is cheating or can be steered with QB's eyes, then go for it. But sustaining drives with a short-to-intermediate passing game against that rush depending on which OL shows up (pass protection) knowing that they are confident enough to load up against LF is worrisome.
The problem LSU creates is the o-line and TEs are so good at point of attack that it's pulling safeties up and by the time they get there Fournette is already past the 2nd level. You want to say how great UF's D is, fine, but LSU is equally as good running the ball.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:23 pm to 7Tiger7
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There hasnt been many intermediate routes, bubble screens, slants, or wheel routes to the RBs.
This.
I have been wondering why these higher percentage passes haven't been called. And no, I don't buy that you save these plays because you progress in any aspect of football in live game execution.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:30 pm to 7Tiger7
lack of confidence in the QB. A little more confidence than last year because we are throwing the tight end seam route which we didn't throw last year
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:32 pm to I20goon
If the defense is too aggressive, Harris will escape the collapsing pocket. He ran all over Auburn's over agressive scheme. It's going to be pick your poison. Plus, we can also bring use more read option to keep the defense guessing
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:41 pm to 7Tiger7
quote:To me, that's the key to it (as the O stands now). Harris looks great on the move. OL has had it's struggles. AND combined with play action, that can open up the passing game, kind of low hanging fruit.
If the defense is too aggressive, Harris will escape the collapsing pocket. He ran all over Auburn's over agressive scheme. It's going to be pick your poison. Plus, we can also bring use more read option to keep the defense guessing
I like me some "old man football", but I'd prefer to have a viable plan B. Read-option and Pass-Run option seems to fit LSU and it's current players just right. BH has had some bad reads on that, but not THAT many... not for his 2nd - 4th start.
ETA: if you can't stand in the pocket, and you can't get rid of it quickly enough... move the pocket. After that, I don't really give two frucks how the yardage comes. BUT, split the field in half, make the D choose to commit to run and I bet all of a sudden receivers magically start to look lonely.
Just one note on that. For some reason I noticed this with Arky and started watching LSU: The receivers have to get into his lanes/vision if he rolls. Have seen some of that not happening with LSU, but the # of plays so far are too small to say "it's an issue".
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:46 pm to I20goon
UF defense can stop the pass and rush the pass but UT ran up and down the field on them with a line and a running back that isn't near our level.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:48 pm to BayouBengals18
quote:First game of the year, on the road against a solid team.
What's the explanation for going vanilla against State then?
Only game they really have an excuse for, to be honest
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:51 pm to Scoob
But, I think we might see Quinn back in the mix. He was able to run some good intermediate routes last year, and if he's better at catching now, it's open for him to return.
Who's coaching the WRs? They NEED to work on actually catching
Who's coaching the WRs? They NEED to work on actually catching
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:52 pm to MightyYat
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No reason to not keep doing that.
Except that at some point someone will hold him to 150 yds and 2 TDs and we will lose if that is all we can do.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:54 pm to HaloWarriors
The answer is that Cam Cameron is pure garbage. There is NO secret playbook. When LSU goes to BAMA might as well take a time machine back to 1/12. Maybe LSU will cross the 50 before the fourth quarter.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:56 pm to Scoob
Both Dupre and Dural do not challenge defense for the ball. They are weak and don't go after the ball. Don't know if they just are not taught to get into position the catch the damn ball.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:57 pm to ps101
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The answer is that Cam Cameron is pure garbage. There is NO secret playbook. When LSU goes to BAMA might as well take a time machine back to 1/12. Maybe LSU will cross the 50 before the fourth quarter.
The rant never ceases to amaze me with stupidity. LSU will move the ball on Bama.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:02 pm to GeauxWarrior12
Yep just like the BCS championship game. May have no cheering as they may not ever cross the 50.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:13 pm to ps101
It's all a setup for Bama........brilliant!
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