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re: Poor LSU; Poor Coach "O": only 52 active 4/5 Star players.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:07 pm to Pathway2dynasty
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:07 pm to Pathway2dynasty
If you can't see the difference in our defense from last year to this year then I don't know what to tell you kid.
Big difference was Key was healthy and explosive could set his edge in the run game and pass rush. Godchaux and Lewis were technically sound and did their jobs to prefection, which then made Gilmore and the talented freshmans jobs easier, Herron played ok at least. Our secondary had (3) 3 year players in it with (2) first round talents. They all did their jobs and could react fast which we are missing this year.
We had (2) 3 year players at linebacker who were also very good at their jobs then White who basically just rushed the passer. We basically have freshman replacing those guys and (1) second year guy in White who is playing well. Our DL is depleted there's no question about that. Alexander, Lawrence and Herron are out, that's 3 major pieces to our DL.
Delpit is great but young, Greedy is great but young, Tolliver started the year fricked up and hasn't played like he did at the end of last year, kinda his fault, same is with Alexander. Battle is good not great.
Our OL is a mistery to me they should be much better than they are playing now. The WRs are talented but young besides Chark and he can't do it alone. There's no doubt that they can all play better, and the coaches can do a better job but they did change some things so it will be a work in progress. When you change things, you might find that your personell don't fit what you want to do all that well, once the real competition comes. Then you have to adjust a little. You've got to have patience. I can see spurts of a good team but they are still feeling things out. What I'm seeing every week is something they work on and get better at. The OL is the position that needs the most improvement, the DL will improve once we get everyone healthy, if that happens.
There's no question that we have talent. We are just very inexperienced and you can still see some phases in the game where we start to dominate then we see mistakes that let the other team come back. It's football, they have talented guys on the other side that want to win as well. If those guys have taken their licks already and are just as talented as you then you will probably get beat the frick up, why, because they have gotten beat the frick up before. O does have some recruiting to do so we can play 2 deep every year and they can take their licks the year before and now when their time comes they are ready without the team having to count on them the entire game. It's not excuses we must play better but we have good coaches at LSU people. Stfu
Big difference was Key was healthy and explosive could set his edge in the run game and pass rush. Godchaux and Lewis were technically sound and did their jobs to prefection, which then made Gilmore and the talented freshmans jobs easier, Herron played ok at least. Our secondary had (3) 3 year players in it with (2) first round talents. They all did their jobs and could react fast which we are missing this year.
We had (2) 3 year players at linebacker who were also very good at their jobs then White who basically just rushed the passer. We basically have freshman replacing those guys and (1) second year guy in White who is playing well. Our DL is depleted there's no question about that. Alexander, Lawrence and Herron are out, that's 3 major pieces to our DL.
Delpit is great but young, Greedy is great but young, Tolliver started the year fricked up and hasn't played like he did at the end of last year, kinda his fault, same is with Alexander. Battle is good not great.
Our OL is a mistery to me they should be much better than they are playing now. The WRs are talented but young besides Chark and he can't do it alone. There's no doubt that they can all play better, and the coaches can do a better job but they did change some things so it will be a work in progress. When you change things, you might find that your personell don't fit what you want to do all that well, once the real competition comes. Then you have to adjust a little. You've got to have patience. I can see spurts of a good team but they are still feeling things out. What I'm seeing every week is something they work on and get better at. The OL is the position that needs the most improvement, the DL will improve once we get everyone healthy, if that happens.
There's no question that we have talent. We are just very inexperienced and you can still see some phases in the game where we start to dominate then we see mistakes that let the other team come back. It's football, they have talented guys on the other side that want to win as well. If those guys have taken their licks already and are just as talented as you then you will probably get beat the frick up, why, because they have gotten beat the frick up before. O does have some recruiting to do so we can play 2 deep every year and they can take their licks the year before and now when their time comes they are ready without the team having to count on them the entire game. It's not excuses we must play better but we have good coaches at LSU people. Stfu
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:09 pm to Pathway2dynasty
damn that's sobering as frick
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hat about the 52 active 4/5 star players? Miss. St. blew LSU out with 16 active 4/5 star players. Syracuse pushed O-line back for a safety with only 2!
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:22 pm to JustSmokin
Again, who was recruiting coordinator the last couple of years?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:35 pm to Tigerbait357
I can tell you what the problem will be next year already. It's going to be QB unless he is better than what we are used to. OL unless we hit it rich in JUCO and some of these backups make huge strides we will be weaker there as well. The DL should be better along with the LBers. I think our backfield will be fine but not blow people away good. The secondary should be very good.
I don't see many guys leaving this team this year. They will all need another year to get better. I don't see many of those guys draft status going very high at this time. Some of these guys need to strap it the frick up and play better. The OL especially but many of the veterans in the secondary too. Chark will probably be the only guy drafted fairly high and if he doesn't pick his game up as it was before the State game then his might not be very high either. These kids need to take ownership as well as the coaches doing a better job adjusting but if the OL or DL doesn't raise its level of play, this won't be a very good year. That has to change IMO.
The DL just needs more bodies, many are hurt or aren't available. I think O will learn a lot from this year IMO. He will likely change some things they do in the offseason and depending on how the OL finishes the year he might have to go get another OL coach. I'll give Grimes this year but if he doesn't get this thing fixed, good bye. LSU should also really think about going find a DL coach who can instill some real toughness in these guys as well as build some hype to play for him in recruiting.
We'll see how they finish things out. I think this game against Troy should be our best game of the year, but I would feel much better if we had our DL back and the OL was performing at a higher level. I do think they will improve on that this week though. The linebackers are slowly getting better. The secondary needs to pick their asses up too. GT NO EXCUSES O gotta get it done or have this team playing at least better and with more heart.
I don't see many guys leaving this team this year. They will all need another year to get better. I don't see many of those guys draft status going very high at this time. Some of these guys need to strap it the frick up and play better. The OL especially but many of the veterans in the secondary too. Chark will probably be the only guy drafted fairly high and if he doesn't pick his game up as it was before the State game then his might not be very high either. These kids need to take ownership as well as the coaches doing a better job adjusting but if the OL or DL doesn't raise its level of play, this won't be a very good year. That has to change IMO.
The DL just needs more bodies, many are hurt or aren't available. I think O will learn a lot from this year IMO. He will likely change some things they do in the offseason and depending on how the OL finishes the year he might have to go get another OL coach. I'll give Grimes this year but if he doesn't get this thing fixed, good bye. LSU should also really think about going find a DL coach who can instill some real toughness in these guys as well as build some hype to play for him in recruiting.
We'll see how they finish things out. I think this game against Troy should be our best game of the year, but I would feel much better if we had our DL back and the OL was performing at a higher level. I do think they will improve on that this week though. The linebackers are slowly getting better. The secondary needs to pick their asses up too. GT NO EXCUSES O gotta get it done or have this team playing at least better and with more heart.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:19 pm to Pathway2dynasty
And what do stars mean exactly? Not a damn thing.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:24 pm to uppereast
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Again, who was recruiting coordinator the last couple of years?
Frank Wilson.
Orgeron was recruiting coordinator from January 14, 2106, when Wilson accepted the UTSA job, until he took over as interim coach on September 25, 2016.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:45 pm to SportTiger1
quote:
You would take senior dj welter over sohpmore beckwith?
A&M would
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:37 am to Tigerbait357
Exactly. Being “young” really hurt Ohio St in 2016 and Michigan this season.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:43 am to Tigerbait357
12 of the 52 are hurt or suspended
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:58 am to rbdallas
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a lot of them are young...
EXACTLY. I had to laugh out loud when Battle went out in the 3d quarter. On the next passing down our secondary looked like this:
CB: Williams/FR
CB: Jackson/JR
S: Delpit/FR
S: Monroe/RS FR
Nickel: Vincent/FR
CRAZY! You don't think we are going to have some coverage/communication issues?
The DL has two AVG Sr's, rest are SO/FR. Our DEF MVP is a SO at ILB.... This group will get better as the season unfolds, but with injuries it will be tough. Better days are ahead, keep charging Tigers!
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:07 am to HC87
4 and 5 stars are hit or miss. More 3 stars pan out because nobody expected them to and they are called over achievers.
4 stars flop all the time. 5 stars flop even more often. Out of all of those 5 stars you pointed out at Bama, even they have historically under achieved. They just happened to get enough of them so that one of them have to pan out.
Ideally, you'd like to bring a class and have them 4 or 5 years to develop. 5 stars come in and in many cases play right away, but leave you with holes to fill sooner because they hit the draft after 3 years. Bama has made a living of JUCO guys that have that 4 or 5 years experience. We could use a few to fill in some needs asap. We have quite a few highly rated players that have not lived up to their expectations. Not an excuse for O, just an observation of the landscape of college football anywhere.
4 stars flop all the time. 5 stars flop even more often. Out of all of those 5 stars you pointed out at Bama, even they have historically under achieved. They just happened to get enough of them so that one of them have to pan out.
Ideally, you'd like to bring a class and have them 4 or 5 years to develop. 5 stars come in and in many cases play right away, but leave you with holes to fill sooner because they hit the draft after 3 years. Bama has made a living of JUCO guys that have that 4 or 5 years experience. We could use a few to fill in some needs asap. We have quite a few highly rated players that have not lived up to their expectations. Not an excuse for O, just an observation of the landscape of college football anywhere.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:10 am to Tigerbait357
The fact that O is recruiting players to play for him now instead of Miles or Caroll is what I feared most about him being hired as head coach!
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:19 am to luciouslou
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Stars dont mean anything. Kurt warner was a two star. Hall of famer
They don't huh?
Then why is Alabama #1 in recruiting every year and in the final 4 every year? They recruit the best and have a great coach. You can't win consistently without both as much as excuse makers want you to believe you can.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 7:22 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:28 am to luciouslou
quote:I really hate these.
Stars dont mean anything. Kurt warner was a two star. Hall of famer
Statistically, such things are an outlier. Any professional (doctor looking at results, engineer looking at risk, etc) handles them appropriately.
There is a correlation to 4*/5* and, let's just limit it to this, major bowl victories. I would go further and say consistent acquisition of 4*/5*, year after year, is going to be a stronger correlation.
A big reason is a 4*/5* becomes "ready" faster. The higher the ranking, normally the faster to starter. An overlooked reason is that many 4*/5* are ranked there BECAUSE they work harder. The difference between a low 4* and a high 3* can easily be 8 lbs of muscle mass and 0.07 on a 40 time.
As for the OP... lumping the 4* together with the 5* is a little disigenous. The difference between a low or avg 4*, especially as a freshman, is HUGE. Like 1-2 years and making an immediate impact huge. On the field, on the recruiting trail, and roster management... HUGE. So it's worth noting we only have 4 each 5* on the active roster (with Tyron Johnson being a transfer).
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:42 am to tarzana
quote:Troy has scared us before.
When TROY becomes a team who's "scary", then you know there's a problem with that team.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:52 am to mmcgrath
A few years ago it was players leaving for NFL now its older players transferring or getting kicked off team. It would be nice to have some players show up and stick it out and become more experienced. Its the way of college football now. If I dont start right away I leave, unless at Bama.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:15 am to LuzianaFootball
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4 and 5 stars are hit or miss. More 3 stars pan out because nobody expected them to and they are called over achievers.
No, more 3 stars pan out because there are simply more of them in sheer numbers. Percentage-wise more 4 and 5 stars pan out, which is why they're 4 and 5 stars.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:19 am to Pathway2dynasty
It's all in "The Binder".
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:44 am to Pathway2dynasty
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52 active 4/5 Star players.
Would be interesting to see a breakdown by class on those 52.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:19 am to Mobiletiger
Bama has actually lost 10 players to transfer, and 5 to the NFL, out of the 81 4/5 star players signed in last four years. LSU has lost less, even counting those that left since O took over.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:20 am
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