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re: "Out Athlete" the opponents at WR - Gameplan Concepts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:55 pm to lynxcat
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:55 pm to lynxcat
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Not a coach, but I have always over-analyzed things my entire life...passion for college football made it an area that was a natural fit
For anyone that has ever sat next to me during a game, you probably hear me yell more thing pre-snap reads than the you have ever heard before. These things are very easy to see from the stands (hence why Cam sits in the pressbox).
It must make things more interesting when you have the knowledge to watch the team line up and say "yeah, this shite probably will/won't work"
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:59 pm to Navytiger74
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It must make things more interesting when you have the knowledge to watch the team line up and say "yeah, this shite probably will/won't work"
Here is the easiest thing to watch if you want to apply it (mentioned in the OP). Where are the safeties?
If the safeties are within ~5-7 yards of the line of scrimmage and we run the ball between the tackles, then the liklihood of that play being a success is probably around 10-20%. Success being defined as a play greater than 3 to 4 yards. To be fair, if a hole does somehow open up, you probably take it to the end zone (no defenders at the next level to tackle you).
Those are the plays where a QB needs to make a hand gesture to the outside WR, put some air under it and watch our boys go make defenders look like highschoolers.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:03 pm to lynxcat
lynxcat,
I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a poster like you here now! Your points are very well stated, backed up more with reason than emotion, and very lucid.
And I agree with alot of your analysis!
I am a little biased, but I like our receiver group ALOT, and what those four guys bring to the table as a group, I believe, is one of the best overall receiving corps there is in college football! They are each different in their own way, have unique and elite skills, that seem to compliment one and another!
I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a poster like you here now! Your points are very well stated, backed up more with reason than emotion, and very lucid.
And I agree with alot of your analysis!
I am a little biased, but I like our receiver group ALOT, and what those four guys bring to the table as a group, I believe, is one of the best overall receiving corps there is in college football! They are each different in their own way, have unique and elite skills, that seem to compliment one and another!
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:04 pm to lynxcat
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We saw a little of it at the end of the MSU game.
Only out of necessity
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:06 pm to lynxcat
power's generally been our bread and butter run play. doesn't seem like we've seen it as much this year. I still like the toss dive every now and again in short yardage, gotta block it right though.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:08 pm to TigerAlum93
quote:
lynxcat,
I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a poster like you here now! Your points are very well stated, backed up more with reason than emotion, and very lucid.
And I agree with alot of your analysis!
I am a little biased, but I like our receiver group ALOT, and what those four guys bring to the table as a group, I believe, is one of the best overall receiving corps there is in college football! They are each different in their own way, have unique and elite skills, that seem to compliment one and another!
Appreciate it
Yes, our WRs definitely complements one another. Each with different skills but all do something quite well.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:10 pm to monsterballads
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Only out of necessity
This has been the issue.
Trying to get a young QB to throw down the middle of the field is a disaster waiting to happen. You have 4 layers of defenders (DL, LB, Safeties and the CBs) that could make plays on the ball. Throwing to the outside is much simpler.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:12 pm to ATLTiger
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power's generally been our bread and butter run play. doesn't seem like we've seen it as much this year. I still like the toss dive every now and again in short yardage, gotta block it right though.
You can run power out of the shotgun. It is a big misconception to think it is an I-Form only thing. Auburn is the best example of this.
Shotgun is wayyyy more natural for Jennings and Harris.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:13 pm to lynxcat
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:14 pm to lynxcat
You are gold on the RB.
You sir, nailed this post. I didn't expect this level of intellectual input.
Have an upvote.
You sir, nailed this post. I didn't expect this level of intellectual input.
Have an upvote.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:25 pm to lynxcat
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You can run power out of the shotgun.
oh I know, we did it last year. haven't noticed it this yr, but it's possible we have.
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Shotgun is wayyyy more natural for Jennings and Harris.
seems that way. why we don't use it more is beyond me.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:27 pm to lynxcat
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Shotgun is wayyyy more natural for Jennings and Harris.
That's because most HS QB's aren't used to be under center.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 2:39 pm to GreenTrout
spread qb's in an I formation system
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:02 pm to lynxcat
quote:I have been trying to get this point across for weeks.
Trying to get a young QB to throw down the middle of the field is a disaster waiting to happen. You have 4 layers of defenders (DL, LB, Safeties and the CBs) that could make plays on the ball. Throwing to the outside is much simpler.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:07 pm to sjmabry
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I have been trying to get this point across for weeks.
The only exceptions is a TE that releases late from the line as a release valve or a RB running an angle route.
Running a dig after the slot clears out the safety is the closest thing to throwing down the middle that we should ask from our QB.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:09 pm to monsterballads
Great points about safeties in the box and cushion vs press on the CBs. The most salient point to me is the throws between the hash marks. This especially true in college ball as the hash marks are wider. You can always tell if an OC trusts his QB by how many passes are thrown down the middle of the field. Simply because their are more defenders to intercept the ball than throws outside the hashes. You often hear the sideline is like an extra defender to the DBs which is true to an extent,but the sideline has yet to intercept a pass.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:12 pm to NotRight37
Damn Lynxcat! I'm having flashbacks to when you used to rule the Recruiting Board.
Must be a slow day at work!
Must be a slow day at work!
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:13 pm to NotRight37
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Great points about safeties in the box and cushion vs press on the CBs. The most salient point to me is the throws between the hash marks. This especially true in college ball as the hash marks are wider. You can always tell if an OC trusts his QB by how many passes are thrown down the middle of the field. Simply because their are more defenders to intercept the ball than throws outside the hashes. You often hear the sideline is like an extra defender to the DBs which is true to an extent,but the sideline has yet to intercept a pass.
You have to be very confident as a QB to see and believe what you are seeing to throw the ball down the middle of the field, especially in the 10-15 yard range. I have no issue throwing long balls up the seam as long as a rangy safety isn't sitting over the top.
What I am describing works extremely well at the college level - the pros get MUCH more complicated because you have DEs that can play like LBs, LBs that cover like safeties and safeties that can legitimately split the field in two and cover the sideline. You also have many more zone-man-blitz combos that make the reads significantly more difficult....hence why even the best college QBs struggle in the first couple years.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:15 pm to lynxcat
coaching staff doesn't trust jennings. mett didn't operate out of the I formation 80% of the game.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 3:17 pm to lynxcat
Miles knows only one thing: Toss the ball to the backs to run right in the middle of the gang. All you need to do get his hands off play calling.
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