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re: Our Coaches Are Not Capable of Fixing This Offense
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:09 am to slackster
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:09 am to slackster
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How the frick can you say something this asinine?
Its pretty easy and its pretty justifiable.
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You have absolutely no clue if JD is the best option we have at LT, yet you know that we will lose one game because of his play unless we "try" someone else? Seriously?
I am not implying we lose if we dont try someone else, I am implying that the way it is now...we lose AT LEAST one game because of it. JD is pedestrian in pass protection on the edge. Clowney will abuse him.
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Would that be hard to believe you fool?
I didnt say they were buddies. You confuse my post with someone elses. I am simply saying, if JD is the LT for the rest of the year, start booking orlando hotels for the bowl game.
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:09 am to windriver
18-1 over the last 19 games. Many were blowouts. Please tell me how many other staffs have that kind of record against similar competition.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:11 am to Tiger Ryno
AND... We typically run when we are supposed to run and pass in a passing situation.
What about a little play-action pass on third and short???
What about just mixing up the plays so the opposition doesn't set their defense to stop what they already know we are going to run???
LSU appears to be wanting to show dominance by being predictable and succeeding anyway. However that doesn't work against defenses like Auburn, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and maybe Florida.
On the other hand, this year is a mirror image of last year so far. It's all about defense!!! We did win Saturday and a win is a win! And we all know that defense wins championships! The main reason we lost the BCSNC last season is Alabama's defense was better than ours (aside from some coaching adjustments made by Bama's coaches between game 1 and game 2 while LSU apparently made none)).
What about a little play-action pass on third and short???
What about just mixing up the plays so the opposition doesn't set their defense to stop what they already know we are going to run???
LSU appears to be wanting to show dominance by being predictable and succeeding anyway. However that doesn't work against defenses like Auburn, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and maybe Florida.
On the other hand, this year is a mirror image of last year so far. It's all about defense!!! We did win Saturday and a win is a win! And we all know that defense wins championships! The main reason we lost the BCSNC last season is Alabama's defense was better than ours (aside from some coaching adjustments made by Bama's coaches between game 1 and game 2 while LSU apparently made none)).
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:11 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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We can bring in quarterback coaches, new oc, passing game coordinator all day, and nothing will change. Miles just sucks when it comes to offense. Thank god he has nothing to do with defense.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:12 am to Tiger Ryno
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Why do we keep running a zone-read type hand off with ZM at QB?
you're confused...
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:14 am to tigerbait16
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we win with talent, not coaching
Sincerely,
Sean Payton
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:16 am to Maximus
Miles' style of offense works when you have a dominant line. We ran over everyone we played except Bama last year. This year, just ain't happening. We need to be a little less predictable,run out of passing formations etc. Throw the ball over the middle between the LB's and the safeties. Throw on first down.They need to look at the Bama game film. What they did to us is what we need to be doing.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:17 am to lsuhunt555
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I am not implying we lose if we dont try someone else, I am implying that the way it is now...we lose AT LEAST one game because of it. JD is pedestrian in pass protection on the edge. Clowney will abuse him.
So despite his very solid run blocking - the thing we do 60% of the time - he should be benched? Watch JD every play against Auburn and get back to me with that. Now watch Collins et. al. and tell me if he is that much better/worse?
JD has become an easy target because he has given up a few visible sacks. I understand that the football IQ on the rant is extremely low, and luckily the coaches couldn't care less about what is said in the public.
I fully believe JD will continue to be a serviceable replacement at LT and Miles and co. will find a way to help him with other speed rushers in the SEC by chipping in with a RB or TE. It may not be pretty, but we will continue to win games.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:18 am to TB69
quote:Have you not watched a single game this year?
Miles' style of offense works when you have a dominant line. We ran over everyone we played except Bama last year. This year, just ain't happening. We need to be a little less predictable,run out of passing formations etc. Throw the ball over the middle between the LB's and the safeties. Throw on first down.They need to look at the Bama game film. What they did to us is what we need to be doing.
WE'RE DOING THIS!
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:19 am to Tiger Ryno
So we are 6-6 at best ?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:20 am to Maximus
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so who's fault is it for no OT talent or WR talent?
Wait, make up your mind. I thought JD was playing OT because he has a good coleslaw recipe? All of these threads about the OL say that he should be benched in favor of the more talented guys behind him? So is there talent at the OT position or not Max?
Nevermind the fact that our starting LT, a preseason All-American, went down this year. That sure is convenient to ignore.
And there is talent at the WR position. A case of the dropsies early in the season doesn't change that one bit.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:26 am to Tiger Ryno
Have some faith
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:26 am to slackster
Anyone who thinks in the remotest way that JD is serviceable at LT should have his head examined.
I suppose he's there since he's a Miles and Stud favorite, but another solution needs to be found soon. Sure, it was a huge blow to lose Faulk, but why not try Collins at LT and maybe put Turner at guard? Collins was a tackle his entire high school career, and I believe is capable of doing a much better job there than JD.
I suppose he's there since he's a Miles and Stud favorite, but another solution needs to be found soon. Sure, it was a huge blow to lose Faulk, but why not try Collins at LT and maybe put Turner at guard? Collins was a tackle his entire high school career, and I believe is capable of doing a much better job there than JD.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:29 am to slackster
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So despite his very solid run blocking
At what point did I question his run blocking?
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Watch JD every play against Auburn and get back to me with that. Now watch Collins et. al. and tell me if he is that much better/worse?
I did, yesterday. On over half of the passing downs, he was either beat or needed help from a TE/RB. Collins was better, but less exposed (Where JD used to be). Hurst wasnt much better, but Lemonier was usually on JDs side.
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I understand that the football IQ on the rant is extremely low
You are clearly pointing this out. I am not saying we go 3-9. I am saying out LT needs to be reevaluated. If it doesnt or if he is the best we have, his play will cost us a game. ZM is not mobile and needs time. And I am pretty sure last year we established, you cant just run the ball every play to win games.
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help him with other speed rushers in the SEC by chipping in with a RB or TE
This is a problem you apparently dont understand. When teams can get pressure with their front 4, they can drop 7 in coverage. When they do that, it is no a desirable solution to keep 2 RBs in the backfield to protect, thus only giving you 3 options down field. Not sure if you paid much attention Saturday, but it's difficult for 3 WRs to get open a midst 7 defenders.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:31 am to rjokerlsu
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Anyone who thinks in the remotest way that JD is serviceable at LT should have his head examined.
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suppose he's there since he's a Miles and Stud favorite, but another solution needs to be found soon.
Your opinion loses any credibility when you make such a ridiculous claim.
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Sure, it was a huge blow to lose Faulk, but why not try Collins at LT and maybe put Turner at guard?
So you just want to throw in backups that are backups for a reason? Just because you believe that there is no way they can be worse than JD?
I swear, this fanbase has some idiots with it. If Miles doesn't bench --insert starter-- in favor of --insert backup--, then he is playing favorites and he is an idiot. If Miles does bench the starter and the backup is worse, then Miles is terrible at developing talent and is still an idiot. It is pathetic.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:36 am to lsuhunt555
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This is a problem you apparently dont understand. When teams can get pressure with their front 4, they can drop 7 in coverage. When they do that, it is no a desirable solution to keep 2 RBs in the backfield to protect, thus only giving you 3 options down field. Not sure if you paid much attention Saturday, but it's difficult for 3 WRs to get open a midst 7 defenders.
I watched the game Saturday. I saw exactly what you saw. I saw Lemonier play his arse off and beat JD a few times. I also saw JD get the best of Lemonier on his share of plays.
I saw us overreact with our adjustment and go to a max protect in the second half, which limited our ability to get open in the secondary. I think the coaches and players will work over the next two weeks to get JD some help if/when he needs it, and do so without lining up in the wishbone.
You are correct - if the pass protection struggles like it did Saturday, we may lose a game. I contend that Miles and co., along with players, can find a way to work around any deficiencies.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:49 am to Tiger Ryno
Another dumbfuk...........
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:49 am to slackster
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I also saw JD get the best of Lemonier on his share of plays.
It wasnt often that happened on passing downs. He handled him for the most part on run blocking. Collins struggled more than anyone on run blocking.
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do so without lining up in the wishbone.
It's never a good thing when you have 4 RBs and the two who are good at pass protection is the one who hasnt played much so far, and a true freshman.
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You are correct - if the pass protection struggles like it did Saturday, we may lose a game.
If it looks like it did, USCe will give us the game that may expose what our real weakness is and Bama will hammer that. I am not saying I know who would be better, but if JD is the best we have, Clement better spend his time on the left side.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:05 am to lsuhunt555
Short of Josh D being hurt, I doubt you see him benched
Posted on 9/24/12 at 11:08 am to Tiger Ryno
I dont agree w/ your opinion of our WR. Landry has shown he can catch, as well as OBJ(last season). There is no reason not to expect them to come around... I agree w/ you about Mett doing anything other than handing off or throwing the football. While our O line seems to be struggling, mostly at pass protection. See this thread>>
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